Season 3, Episode 2

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Tony Morelan
Senior Developer Evangelist, Samsung Developers

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Derrick Lee, POLYCUBE
Galaxy Themes, Galaxy Store

Not only do we chat about their approach to designing and marketing compelling themes, but also how Polycube is looking to expand their use of contract designers from their home country of Korea to include designers from all around the world so that they can create for a global audience.

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Topics Covered

  • History of Polycube
  • Best of Galaxy Store Awards
  • Publishing on Galaxy Store
  • Galaxy Badge
  • Use of Stock Imagery
  • Design Workflow
  • Diversity and Inclusion

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Tony Morelan 00:01
Hey, I'm Tony Morelan. And this is the Samsung Developers podcast, where we chat with innovators using Samsung technologies, award winning app developers and designers, as well as insiders working on the latest Samsung tools. Welcome to season three, episode two. On today's show, I'm joined by Derrick Lee, Content Manager at Polycube winners of the 2021 Best of Galaxy store Award for Best steam collection. Not only do we chat about their approach to designing and marketing, amazing themes, but also how Polycube is looking to expand their use of contract designers from their home country of Korea to include designers from all around the world so that they can create for a global audience. Enjoy. Hey, Derrick, it is great to have you on the podcast.

Derrick Lee 00:51
Hello, Tony. It's, it's great to see you. Thank you for having me.

Tony Morelan 00:55
So I like to start the podcast with who is Derrick Lee?

Derrick Lee 00:59
Um, well, I'm a person who appreciates and enjoys all forms of art, like paintings, digital graphics, music, everything. I actually majored in industrial designing myself. And I also love singing. You know, as I said, all forms of art,

Tony Morelan 01:13
I had no idea that you had a big appreciation for, for art and for music. I actually do myself.

Derrick Lee 01:19
Well, I see a guitar. I see several guitars behind it right now. Yeah.

Tony Morelan 01:23
And the folks listening to this. It's only for their audio. But yes, we've got some cameras, Derrick can see I've got a few guitars in the background. I like to pretend that I know how to sing but still have yet to get the courage to actually sing in front of somebody. So yeah, great to hear that you have that appreciation in that ability. Yeah,

Derrick Lee 01:41
I'm not that good at singing either. I just love it.

Tony Morelan 01:42
That's awesome. That's awesome. So Derrick, you are a content manager at Polycube. Tell me a little bit about that role.

Derrick Lee 01:50
Well, that role is essentially giving out guidelines for designers coming up with something good visually, I think it could be better if somebody is giving out guidelines on which designs can you know resonate with people a little bit more, not just with themselves. That's my role at Polycube.

Tony Morelan 02:05
My background is really in graphic design. Okay, that's where I spent much of my career and I've worked with many art directors. So it sounds like even though you call yourself a Content Manager. To me, it sounds like that role really fits that art director

Derrick Lee 02:20
role. Yeah, well, anyway, you can call it Yeah.

Tony Morelan 02:24
So how long have you been at Polycube?

Derrick Lee 02:26
Um, I have been at Polycube for about three years now.

Tony Morelan 02:29
Just about the same amount of time that I've been at Samsung. Oh, okay. So you had said that you that you majored in industrial design. Interesting. I actually minored in industrial design. Okay. Okay, so we've got a few similarities, not just in music and singing but also with industrial design. Yes, we do. I understand that coming out of college, you didn't just dive right into tech that you actually were selling donuts from a truck?

Derrick Lee 02:57
Yeah, I have been selling donuts for about, I think about 18 months. And I really enjoyed it. You know, don't get me wrong. I didn't quit doing that, because I didn't like it. But I really wanted to be involved in a design business in any way, shape, or form. Sure. That's something I wanted to do more. And I figured out that, you know, Polycube was a company that was designing themes, and I thought it could be exciting. So I jumped in. That's great.

Tony Morelan 03:21
So now Polycube is from Seoul. Correct. That's where your headquarters is? Yes. And that's where I'm assuming that's where you live?

Derrick Lee 03:28
Yeah, I live like 20 minutes away. And it's a beautiful city, I hope in the future when there are no barriers such as COVID-19. I hope our supporters all around the world can visit for a nice trip.

Tony Morelan 03:39
So you're in Seoul, Korea, but your English sounds so good. I can tell you must have spent some time in the in the states here. Well,

Derrick Lee 03:47
when I was five years old, my dad got a job in the states in New Orleans, actually. And we lived there for about nine years. Wow. And then even after I came back to Korea, I you know, I stayed in Korea for a year and then in New Orleans for a year. And I've been going back and forth. But in Korea, military surfaces mandatory. I stayed here for two years. And then I started selling donuts as I mentioned earlier, so yeah, it's been a while and now COVID Yeah, so I've been staying in Korea for a while. But yeah, I do miss New Orleans.

Tony Morelan 04:18
So I'm guessing that your love for music probably came a bit out of your time in New Orleans.

Derrick Lee 04:24
Oh, yeah, definitely. I love jazz. I love you know, Stevie Wonder cars, though. Those were the those were the artists that really, you know, you know, set a fire inside me. Yeah.

Tony Morelan 04:35
Oh, that's great. That's great. Now I was fortunate that actually a few months before COVID hit. I actually went out to Seoul Korea because that is where Samsung's headquarter this so I got to spend a week there absolutely. Beautiful city. So much to explore, but boy do I want to get back there was a lot that I did not see.

Derrick Lee 04:54
I would like to be your guide if you happen to come again one day. Yeah,

Tony Morelan 04:58
I'll take you up on it for sure. So, so about Polycube, the company itself, they've been around for quite a while. And I know that they do much more than just theme. So tell me a bit about the history of poly Q? And what are some of those areas that they also work on?

Derrick Lee 05:12
You know, we have quite a history. And actually 2021 was our 20th anniversary. Wow, we came a long way developing apps, making games and designing themes, watch faces and whatnot. Yeah,

Tony Morelan 05:24
in the name Polycube, I'm wondering, is there an interesting story behind that name?

Derrick Lee 05:29
Um, well, our founder wanted a name that emphasizes the importance of diversity in a group. And if you look at the etymology of poly, you know, it means many sided Sure. So our founder thought that it was a perfect name cube was added, because, you know, if you look at the cube the shape and as it also has many sides, you know, you have to have many sides to form a cube, right. So that's how poly and cube got together and formed the named Polycube, you had mentioned that you do more than just themes. Well, we also make a lot of games, you know, one that we're really working on these days is a game called poker master. It has been around, but we're trying to, you know, find rooms for improvement sure

Tony Morelan 06:06
to update the game so that more people can enjoy it. Now, is that game on the Galaxy store at the moment? Yes, it

Derrick Lee 06:13
is. Excellent. And we're, we're trying to make it better and better, and has been around for a while, but we're trying to improve it all the time. Sure. And we also design themes and watch faces, we're really trying to improve our watch face designs these days. So I hope you know it will get bigger and bigger.

Tony Morelan 06:29
Yeah, I was checking out some of your designs earlier. I love the very classic feel of many of your designs.

Derrick Lee 06:35
That means a lot coming from you because you're a designer yourself.

Tony Morelan 06:39
Thank you. Thank you. That's actually how I got my start with Samsung. For those that don't know how, okay, when I was doing my graphic design gig started designing watch faces selling them on the Galaxy store. Okay, got noticed by a few people at Samsung made a few phone calls. And before you know it, I was working for Samsung teaching how to design watch faces,

Derrick Lee 06:59
then that really means a lot coming from you.

Tony Morelan 07:03
Polycube, I think it's you said it's about 30 employees.

Derrick Lee 07:07
Well, 31. Exactly. And we have 11 designers among those 31 employees. Okay,

Tony Morelan 07:13
now, are these split between full time employees? And are some contractors, you have

Derrick Lee 07:18
full time employees and contractors altogether? 31. Okay, and all of our 11 designers are all full, they work full time.

Tony Morelan 07:26
Wow. Okay, that's great. So, you know, I know a lot of designers and developers listen to this podcast always looking for opportunities to, you know, look for new work. Okay, by any chance is Polycube looking for new designers,

Derrick Lee 07:39
we are actually planning on recruiting a lot of designers from abroad. Sure, starting this year, because we want diversity in our group. I guess the best way is you can look us up because we have a website. But also, you can send an email, the email addresses master at Polycube.co.kr. Okay. And if you send an email anytime we will take a close look at it. And yeah, we'll pay attention.

Tony Morelan 08:04
That's awesome. So what is the web address for Polycube?

Derrick Lee 08:07
Oh, it's very simple. It's www dot polycube.co.kr. Got it. And that's p o l y c u b e. Very simple.

Tony Morelan 08:16
How long would you say Polycube has been designing themes?

Derrick Lee 08:19
Paula cube has been designing themes for about six years now. Because we started on 2016.

Tony Morelan 08:26
So six years, I would guess that you were probably one of the first theme designers to get onto the platform. So how did the people that Polycube first learn about the opportunity to design themes for Samsung and sell them on the Galaxy store?

Derrick Lee 08:39
You know, we were just normal Galaxy phone users at first. And you know, we naturally just got to know about themes on our phones, because we were using our phones, obviously. And we kind of had some time to sit down together and talk about it because we thought we could really jump into and make a business out of it.

Tony Morelan 08:57
Yeah, you know, it's funny, every designer that I have interviewed on the podcast, has said the same story that they were first just a user and you know, saw the opportunity to customize their own phone and they thought well heck, I could do this myself. So what about some of the other areas of theme designing? Are you guys also selling you know, wallpapers, AODs, icon packs, things like that?

Derrick Lee 09:17
Yes. Everything you just you just said right now we do sell wallpapers, icon packs. Yeah, AODs.

Tony Morelan 09:25
So last year, we had the 2021 Best of Galaxy store award show and Polycube was the recipient of the best theme collection award. Yes, we were. Tell me what that meant to you and your company for winning that award? Well, first

Derrick Lee 09:42
of all, of course, we are very grateful for the awards. And this award is to us is something that really started such a positive momentum for us because ever since we got the news that we were winning the award, we are feeling you know, we actually feel a positive momentum that started from that board. So it's something that started such a positive momentum for us.

Tony Morelan 10:03
That's great. Yeah. And you're a truthfully your collection is amazing. I do sit on the board of the folks here at Samsung, they get to vote on the winners. Yeah, I was very happy to see you win the well-deserved award for Best Thing collection. Oh, in what ways? Have you promoted winning the award?

Derrick Lee 10:21
Through, you know, the mainstream social media such as YouTube, Facebook, Instagram? Yeah, we're everywhere.

Tony Morelan 10:27
Are you using Galaxy store badges to help promote what you do at Polycube?

Derrick Lee 10:32
we are always looking for chances to utilize our Galaxy Badge everywhere we can use it because it's a good system, you know, the Galaxy Badge, all you have to do is just click on it. And then you can take a look at our you know, collection of themes.

Tony Morelan 10:43
Sure. And when it comes to discoverability, what are some of the platform some of the techniques that you guys do, just to help people find Polycube out there in the in the world?

Derrick Lee 10:52
We have, we do have links that lead to our Facebook and Instagram page and all of the descriptions and the themes that we publish.

Tony Morelan 10:59
So you had mentioned YouTube, and I know that that is one of the best tools that designers are using to help promote their work. So I'm assuming then you guys are creating videos.

Derrick Lee 11:09
Yeah, we are creating videos. I don't have the exact number with me right now. But I think we have more than 4000 videos.

Tony Morelan 11:16
That's great. And then you're leveraging those videos also on platforms like Instagram. Yes, we are. Now you had mentioned Facebook, tell me what is the best way for people to find your Facebook page?

Derrick Lee 11:26
Well, it's www.facebook.com/friends.poly. Cube.

Tony Morelan 11:32
Yeah, that's easy. I love that Polycube friends. Thank you. You know, when I started my company for doing themes and watch faces, I added the word buzz to the end. So you could find my Instagram axeirbuzz

Derrick Lee 11:44
Buzz? Buzz? Okay, that's a positive vibe to it.

Tony Morelan 11:47
So Polycube friends, is that pretty much the handle that you'll use across other platforms? So like on Instagram? Yes, it is. Yes. Now you had mentioned 4000 videos, but I know you guys have a lot more when it comes to themes. What would you say? Your total theme count is right now,

Derrick Lee 12:01
in total, we published 6387 themes.

Tony Morelan 12:05
That's crazy. What would you say are the total downloads that you have on those 6000 themes?

Derrick Lee 12:10
About 25 million?

Tony Morelan 12:13
That's crazy. I was excited when I got to my first million downloads. I'm a long ways away from 25. It's very humbling when we think about it. With that many themes, I'm sure that you're starting to look at different topics, different areas. So you can see really what is resonating with the with the customer base? What are some of those categories that you would say your themes fall under?

Derrick Lee 12:34
Um, we're always looking for diversity in our designs, but there are some categories that really resonate with people more than others. For example, design skulls, and butterflies and flowers. I think those are, you know, some themes that really resonate with people a lot, you know, regardless of country, regardless of gender.

Tony Morelan 12:54
Yeah, I noticed I saw one of your themes was school, but it was a steampunk school. And I love steampunk. I love that look.

Derrick Lee 13:02
Oh, yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about.

Tony Morelan 13:05
Yeah, that's, that's a great theme. So outside of some of those areas, seasonal wise. I mean, do you see like, importance to design themes related to holidays or two seasons?

Derrick Lee 13:15
Oh, definitely is especially Christmas and Halloween. I think those are two holidays that really, I'm sure really boost the market, if you will. I wish there were more designs on like Mardi Gras since I'm from New Orleans. Yeah, but Halloween and Christmas are you know, the two holidays?

Tony Morelan 13:32
Yeah, I've heard that from many other folks as well. Great times to be stylizing your phone for sure.

Derrick Lee 13:38
Yes, yes, it is.

Tony Morelan 13:41
So you know Polycube, had a lot of success. And you know, it's obviously this wasn't overnight, because you've been doing it for a while. But tell me was there like one sort of pivotal moment in your history that you were like, oh, my gosh, this really is starting to take off? Or was it truthfully, just a gradual growth that you've done over the years?

Derrick Lee 13:57
It was gradual, to a certain extent. But when we first started to actually design themes and tried to make a business out of it, the first six months, I don't think we weren't getting a lot of downloads to downloads that we were expecting. And, you know, the support that we were expecting, I mean, of course, we had some, you know, very good supporters that, you know, kept us kept us going when we weren't getting the results that we wanted. But after six months, we were seeing the growth when it comes to numbers when it comes to you know, this porters and things like that.

Tony Morelan 14:29
Yeah, I know. And speaking with a lot of other designers, I mean, it takes an investment and time before you start to see really any in any bit of return. Some of that comes to just getting your name out there. And it's not just publishing your themes, your watch faces on Galaxy store, but it's that additional marketing that you do so, you know, once you put some time into your Instagram or into your Facebook page. Yes. That's when you start to see the return. Yes, definitely. So you've got a lot of designers on hand. Yes. Where are they? designers getting their ideas.

Derrick Lee 15:02
First, our designers, you know, just come up with literally a sketch on their notebooks with their pens. But also, where we get ideas is from the reviews, ah, our supporters all around the world, they are not just helping by supporting, they are actually really helping out through reviews, because when we read them, they really offer some great ideas and insights.

Tony Morelan 15:20
Got it. So when people are posting comments after they've purchased one of your themes, you guys are really looking at those comments to think like, okay, what could we either, you know, expand on this topic? Or maybe the comment is, and this one isn't really for me, and then maybe your team, you'll start to look in other areas?

Derrick Lee 15:35
Yeah, well, you know, sometimes the reviews are very specific. It's not just I like it, why I don't like it. There are a lot of reviews that say, I don't like it, but I would like it if it was this, if it was that. Those are the reviews that really give us really good ideas. That's great

Tony Morelan 15:50
to hear. So a lot of companies leverage stock photography, when it comes to creating their designs, yes. which I know can kind of be a hot topic, because truthfully, you know, there's licensing that that gets involved whenever you're using stock imagery. And also the reality that that anybody can go and, you know, purchase a certain stock image and build a theme out of it. But what are you guys doing to help set yourself apart when you are leveraging stock imagery,

Derrick Lee 16:18
of course, there are a lot of good sources out there that can be utilized and be modified, integrate themes. But as you just said, there are some, some issues when it comes to just, you know, using those stock imagery and turning them into themes, right. So we have a whole team that really looks into the licensing parts to prevent any legal issues, if you will. And we have designers that really keep that in mind that you just don't take the stock imagery, and just copy that and just put it in your phone. And that doesn't really make a theme, you know, we go through plenty modifying and we add ideas to it. And, you know, all of a sudden, it's not just that stock imagery, it's something totally different.

Tony Morelan 16:57
That's great. I've actually spoken with many other theme designers on the podcast, and they've all said the same thing that, you know, they leverage the use of stock imagery, but they take those images and build them into an image that is their own. That is something that is unique. Yes, yes. So you had mentioned pencil sketching, so tell me what the workflow is. I mean, do you are your designers actually traditionally grabbing pencil and paper and, and starting to sketch some of their concepts?

Derrick Lee 17:23
Yeah, it's 2022. But that's, that's still where it starts, you know, first, you know, they literally come up with a sketch with a pen or a pencil. And then we actually have a meeting, we look at all those sketches, and we discuss which ones we will actually go for. Yeah, once the designs materialize, we sit down again, and discuss whether there's room for improvement, or revising. And then after that, we publish them in hope that our supporters enjoy them.

Tony Morelan 17:48
That is excellent to hear. You know, in my experience, as a designer, I would often tell other designers that yes, that is the first step is to grab pencil and paper because you don't get caught up in all the tools that you know, software allows you to do or limits you to do. You don't get caught up in colors or specific, you know, shapes that may be in the way you truthfully see the skeleton of the design. And if that skeleton works, then you know, it's something that's worth pursuing. Yeah, yeah. Great to hear that the that you guys take that approach to design? So you know, the process of starting with sketch and then going through meetings and developing the designs all the way to publishing? How long do you think that typically takes your team to do?

Derrick Lee 18:31
Um, from just a sketch on a notebook? To an actual theme? I would say one theme takes four days, maybe five?

Tony Morelan 18:39
I would say that's a pretty quick, aggressive timeline. Sometimes it would take me weeks to do.

Derrick Lee 18:45
Yeah, because we don't want you know, we don't want to keep our supporters waiting. So sure you work hard.

Tony Morelan 18:50
What applications are you using when you are doing your design work? Adobe

Derrick Lee 18:55
Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator and after effect, oh,

Tony Morelan 18:58
so after effects for doing videos, okay. Yeah. Are you doing any animated like wallpapers where you're leveraging motion graphics?

Derrick Lee 19:06
Yeah, we actually have a whole there's a team that really focuses on only the video parts, okay, the animation parts that really help out if another team comes up with the sketch shirt and you know, the basis then, you know, there is another whole team designing team that really helps out with sophisticated designing when it comes to the videos.

Tony Morelan 19:25
Okay, okay. That's great. So I know a lot of designers utilize the strategy of free when it comes to marketing, their apps. So tell me about your experience. Well, what's your strategy when it comes to free themes free? watch faces?

Derrick Lee 19:42
Yeah, we are offering free themes every week, and we promote them every Friday. And I think our supporters deserve free themes. You know, sure, every once in a while and you know, if you check out our Facebook and Instagram page, you'll see that there are actually quite a lot of opportunities to get some awesome themes for free. Yeah,

Tony Morelan 19:59
I think that I think that That's great. I know what I teach typically is that it's nice to offer up a free app a free design. But you don't want to inundate the market with too many of your free Yeah, themes free watch faces. Because then everyone's going to expect that there's always going to be some good free stuff out there. So use it as a way to encourage the community to get to try out your stuff, your themes, and then that way, they're more inclined and more trustworthy to actually put money behind some of their purchases and buy some of your items,

Derrick Lee 20:30
especially for people who never, you know, use the theme before, but you want them to really get to know what a theme is, you know, why theme is exciting to have a theme on your phone,

Tony Morelan 20:40
let's talk about some of the challenges because I know you know; this whole market is not as easy as just creating something nice and posting it. So what are some of the challenges that you face when it comes to designing themes and marketing those themes?

Derrick Lee 20:55
We hope that our themes satisfy as many people as possible globally, because themes are global. But sometimes figuring out how the taste like differs depending on cultures and countries, it's not it's not the easiest thing to do. You know, we come up with one design, but people here like it, but people there don't. We are greedy, if you will, in a positive way. We want to satisfy as many people as possible globally. So that's not so that would be a challenge.

Tony Morelan 21:21
Of course. Yeah. No, that is that is and I know that a lot of times designers are leveraging the ability to have localization for their app. So this is where you know, you're selling the theme globally. But you can say, you know, in the US market, this is what the description looks like. In you know, a market in Asia, this is what the description looks like. Or in Germany. Yes, I know that, you know, designers do see a nice increase in revenue when they are utilizing localization. So I'm assuming are you guys using that feature as

Derrick Lee 21:49
well? Yes, we are. The descriptions look all different, depending on the country, the language, you had mentioned

Tony Morelan 21:55
COVID earlier? Obviously, we still are in the middle of COVID. How has that impacted Polycube,

Derrick Lee 22:01
of course, COVID-19 is very negative. But for us, it has done nothing but booster motivation, because COVID-19 stopped people from expressing themselves through their faces by making them wear masks. Right. So sure, we were more motivated to help to help people express themselves on their phones instead, through well designed customized themes.

Tony Morelan 22:21
You know, that was nice to hear. It's something I hadn't really thought about that. Yes, the face is being covered by your mask. So how else can you express? You know, your look your style? Yeah. And that's where people are customizing their phones, obviously, to represent themselves?

Derrick Lee 22:37
Yeah, because nowadays, I think your phone is your second face, for sure. It shows who you are.

Tony Morelan 22:42
So what is in the future for public cube,

Derrick Lee 22:45
you know, we are actually planning to come up with some very innovative designs that have never been applied to themes before. You know, if you look at themes, of course, there is diversity, you know, you can see all sorts of designs in the themes market. But sometimes, you know, you run into some designs that make you think that oh, this is nice, but it might not look well on themes, but we are trying to break that wall and come up with some very innovative designs that have never been applied to teams before. Nice.

Tony Morelan 23:15
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Polycube produces out of that. Now, you had mentioned diversity and I love everything you've been talking about, like when it comes to diversity with your designs and the global reach for that. Tell me specifically about Polycube, what are you guys doing when it comes to diversity and inclusion?

Derrick Lee 23:34
We are actually planning on recruiting designers from abroad. It doesn't matter where you're from. Sure, you can be from United States you can be Canada, you can be from Japan, wherever because we don't want to end up stuck in one way of thinking when it comes to designing and promoting. Yeah, and I think that's, that could be one of the best ways to stop that from happening.

Tony Morelan 23:55
Sure. Because I know just culturally wise you know, people from specific cultures just have a way of approaching their designs. So to hear that you are looking for designers, you know from other cultures, I think is a great way to ensure that that you really are offering up great work globally. Yeah, thank you. So you know there are a lot of other theme designers out there a lot of companies have had success is there one company that really comes to mind when you think of a theme designer that you really like

Derrick Lee 24:27
I think that a company called Echo visuals yes yeah. If you check out their themes they're excellent and we took a lot of inspiration from them

Tony Morelan 24:35
yeah no I've heard that from many designers echo visuals does amazing work. And I know that they are very active on Facebook and other social media platforms really doing a lot of stuff around marketing. So just another good example of how a company does more than just create their things but they have to do all that work behind the marketing Yeah. So I know you sound very passionate when it comes to your work at Polycube but what is You do outside of Polycube to have a little fun. Well,

Derrick Lee 25:04
I obviously love themes, but I don't think about them 24/7 I need some time off to you know, re-energize myself. I trained jujitsu do Yeah, I actually had a dream of becoming a commentator in mixed martial arts. Really? Yeah, um, you know, that never came to fruition, obviously, but I'm still a fan of the sport. I really follow it and it doesn't just help physically it helps mentally which ultimately leads to better productivity.

Tony Morelan 25:32
I love hearing that aspect of it. You know, for me, I do a lot of cycling now. Okay. And it's not so much for the exercise. Part of it. It's the mental side of getting out eating away being unplugged, either taking in the sights or enjoying the, you know, the fresh air.

Derrick Lee 25:49
Yeah, I totally understand. One last

Tony Morelan 25:50
question for you.

Derrick Lee 25:51
Okay.

Tony Morelan 25:53
What is your favorite donut?

Derrick Lee 25:55
My favorite donut? Um Well, I always go with the classics. chocolate donut scores. Yeah, well, not just with donuts, like with I think that's just how I am with anything. I always go with the classic like hamburgers like everything. I always like the original. Yeah. And actually, do you know what being aids are? No, I don't know. It's, it's kind of I wouldn't call it a donut. But some people do call it call them donuts. Yeah, it's something that you can have when you come to New Orleans. Oh, I'll

Tony Morelan 26:25
have to give that a try. Is there anything unique to Korea when it comes to donuts?

Derrick Lee 26:30
I'll get to Korea. When anything comes to Korea. Like what when pizza first came to Korea? Sure. You know, it was a long time but Korea like really likes you know, making 1000 flavors of pizzas. 1000 flavors of hamburgers. 1000 flavors of everything. Yeah. Ice creams. Yeah. So yeah, I think that could be one thing that you can enjoy. If you know people from abroad, travel Korea, you know, there are things that you wouldn't have imagined.

Tony Morelan 26:58
How funny that you say that. So when I was in Korea, I remember going to a restaurant that it was strictly cakes. It was like you said it was like 1000 different cakes. And you would go in there and walk through all the showcases of everything. And then you would pick your slice. And it was amazing.

Derrick Lee 27:15
Yeah, I can't even imagine like what flavors it has. It was a

Tony Morelan 27:19
dream. But hey, Derrick, I really appreciate you taking the time. It was great to chat with you. I'm looking forward to 2022 to see what more Polycube does when it comes to creating beautiful designs? No. Okay, thank you.

Closing 27:33
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Tony Morelan 27:48
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