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tony morelan and this is pow! the samsung developers podcast where we chat with innovators using samsung technologies, award winning app developers and designers, as well as insiders working on the latest samsung tools welcome to season two, episode seven today's show is a special episode of the pow! podcast last year, we were not able to have our annual samsung developer conference because of the pandemic but this year, we're back with sdc21, a virtual conference this coming october, i sat down with eric cloninger, who leads developer relations at samsung not only do we talk about some of the highlights from our past developer conferences, but what you can look forward to at this year's sdc21 enjoy hey, eric, welcome to the podcast eric cloninger 00 51 hey, tony glad to be here tony morelan 00 53 so i couldn't be more excited about this special episode where we get to chat about not only the past samsung developer conferences, but our upcoming sdc21 eric cloninger 01 03 yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun it is different this year for certain tony morelan 01 06 let me first start off by asking what exactly is the samsung developer conference, eric cloninger 01 11 samsung creates a lot of different platforms and sdks for developers to create for and integrate with so sdc is one of the ways we promote our platforms, and educate developers on their capabilities like many companies, we realized that developers add a lot of value to our products with their own creations so sdc is our opportunity to share knowledge and hopefully build a connection to the people that are making our products better tony morelan 01 36 yeah, and what's unique with sdc 21 is this year, it's actually going to be a virtual conference now we know that it's because the current pandemic we're in, but it's, i think, an opportunity for samsung really to reach to a much bigger global audience that will be able to come in and attend our conference eric cloninger 01 55 certainly, you know, in the years past, it's been a live event and there would be quite a few people there -- several thousand now with it being virtual, we have a much bigger audience and people can actually see the technical sessions as well as the keynote online even though it's not in person, it is still something that where we can share knowledge, and people can give us feedback on what they like and don't tony morelan 02 21 let's go back and talk a little bit about the history of sdc i think it started back in 2013 is that correct? that's correct eric cloninger 02 29 and i was there in 2014, talking about the gear watch tony morelan 02 34 development wow, that must have been pretty close to when we first launched the watch eric cloninger 02 39 i think it was the first gear s was the product that that i was working on and we were talking about development tools and how to write apps for those watches tony morelan 02 49 since then, we've done seven sdcs that, you know, there was a year i think around 2015 that we skipped and of course last year, we did have to hold off on doing an actual conference past locations, primarily san francisco in the bay area eric cloninger 03 06 it's been at moscone every year until 2019, when it moved to san jose so it's always been in the bay area somewhere that people who attend tony morelan 03 15 tell me about, you know, what is what is the audience eric cloninger 03 19 the audience is primarily developers and the content is really focused on that group a lot of samsung employees attend to give the technical talks and a lot to people come from all over the world to work in the booths and on the show floor in one sense sdc is like a family reunion, we get a chance to meet the people that we've emailed with and been on web conferences for a long time that's a chance to come together but it's also the fruition of a year of hard work, you'll whether it's virtual or in person, we can use the opportunity to celebrate and to share what we've worked on with third party developer community tony morelan 04 05 yeah, i know, my first sdc was 2018 that was in san francisco i hit started at samsung just a few months earlier than that so it was a great opportunity, really, for me to meet, not just some of these employees that had only been, you know, emailing with but a lot of the partners that we had a great report with sdc 19 eric cloninger 04 29 i think there was over 5000 close to 6000 people that it's been five to 6000 every year since that i've been here yeah, so that's a fairly good-sized conference tony morelan 04 37 so let's talk about some of the past keynotes and some of the big announcements that we've made going back to 2017 i think we had stan lee, is that correct? eric cloninger 04 47 yeah, stan lee from marvel was one of the main speakers that was pretty interesting in 2018, we had a lot of people watching because that's the day that they announced the galaxy fold wow so the first time anybody saw it was on stage at sdc and there were probably a half a million people watching live on either facebook live or youtube tony morelan 05 13 i remember my takeaway from sdc18 was tim sweeney for fortnite epic games? eric cloninger 05 18 absolutely on stage with one of our vps who was holding your tiny sword and shield you know, it just it added to the silliness, but also the fun was pretty, pretty fun tony morelan 05 33 oh, definitely now sdc 19 we had another very interesting person up on the stage talk a little bit about vitalik eric cloninger 05 41 yeah, vitalik buterin is the co-founder of ethereum and that year, we also had justin sun from tron the blockchain community is very interesting and it's definitely a new aspect for samsung is we had the blockchain wallet sdk that was coming out that year and so we wanted to have people that could talk about their interactions with it so vitalik and justin, were on stage in the spotlight session on day two tony morelan 06 09 yeah, that was pretty exciting actually, to see him up on stage they're in live in person so a big part of our conference are the technical sessions, it's a chance for the community really to learn about new and upcoming technologies talk a bit about some of those sessions that we've had in the past eric cloninger 06 27 so pretty much any of samsung's technical features sdks and services have sessions at sdc so if you're interested in ai and voice activated services, you can go to multiple bixby sessions, if you're into the internet of things and how to integrate into samsung smartthings ecosystem, there will be information there you know, as i mentioned previously, there's blockchain, there's the knox partnership for if you want to do secure computing, one ui if you're a designer, and all the new foldable phones and devices out there, there's a lot of content around how to handle app continuity and the flex mode, as well as the unique things about foldable design that you can learn about, as well as things like samsung health and how to design for themes there's a wide range of technical sessions for pretty much anybody at any experience level tony morelan 07 24 yeah, yeah, in my area of involvement with the developer conference has been around that design side i mean, as you know, my background is in design, you know, when we are giving the sessions on theme, designing watchface designing that that's really where i get my involvement with so a lot of fun for me to be at the conference walking around the expo floor has been one of the most exciting things for me to be there because truthfully at these different conferences, you just don't know what you're going to see and i remember walking in the room if it was sdc 18 or 19 but seeing this awesome car on the expo floor, the harmon car eric cloninger 08 00 yeah, the great thing about the expo floor is where you, you get to do a lot of the kind of non-technical learning it's a great place in a more relaxed atmosphere to meet and talk to people about what's going on so the harmon car harman is a subsidiary of samsung, and they create high end audio equipment so i'm sure you're familiar with brands like harman, kardon, or jbl, or infiniti, all very high-end brands harman also creates infotainment systems and telematics solutions for automakers and so what they would do for several years is they would bring a car onto the show floor and deck it out with a lot of the latest software and hardware, as well as the audio systems for the attendees to sit in the car and try it out unfortunately, they wouldn't let us drive it around the show floor obviously tony morelan 08 47 i will say i actually did ride the elevator with the person who drove the car from southern california up to northern california for the show so i did get to ask a little bit about you know what it is like to get behind the wheel of that car and she said it was an absolute blast to drive it up five eric cloninger 09 04 i'm sure they had to go the speed limit though tony morelan 09 06 definitely i know that smart things back in 14, one of our first conferences they actually set up like what they call the connected home eric cloninger 09 14 yeah, it was actually a full size when not full sizes about a 900 square foot, you know, a 30 by 30 area where they had different rooms and inside each of those rooms, they would have different ways that you could integrate different iot solutions into the smart home tony morelan 09 32 now just to be clear, a 900 square foot home in san francisco actually is full size so in 2018, we did something i was actually pretty excited about we created what we called a gallery of theme so you know as you know, with the galaxy store, designers can publish their phone themes, but what we did is we took those designs and actually built like a museum gallery big, full size images of the different themes nicely framed, and people would walk around this gallery and not only see this beautiful, much larger than life theme design but this was a gallery where at the end of the conference, we actually raffled off the different pieces, eric cloninger 10 15 it really shows how we have a lot of incredibly creative people who are creating work for the galaxy store, and samsung galaxy devices all of those things that were shown in that that gallery are available for anyone to download and purchase on the galaxy store tony morelan 10 31 yeah, i know that that gallery really, really was a success in a lot of people really enjoyed seeing that worked in person another area of the floor that i saw had a lot of activity was code lab, talking about what exactly is code lab at the at the conference eric cloninger 10 46 code lab is an interactive learning experience, you don't have to actually be present at sdc to be able to use it samsung employees create guided learning modules, with examples and downloadable code snippets that you can use to learn anything from android development, watch face design, or theme by the time you've gone through everything tony morelan 11 13 so if people want to learn more about code lab outside of the conference, where can they find that information, eric cloninger 11 18 you can find the code lab on the samsung developer portal at developer samsung com/codelab tony morelan 11 26 so i think one of the most exciting things that i saw happen on the expo floor was the vr team, they set up this like photography studio that talk about that eric cloninger 11 36 so in 2018, that team created what was called a volumetric camera setup so it had cameras in a lot of different positions in 360 degrees so they would take a very detailed scan of your body, and then they would print it out on a 3d printer and so that was really cool and then the following year, that same team took that that same type of technology, and they integrated it with a live interactive experience called delusion and delusion was a very creepy, interactive experience where you interacted with all of these crazy characters and because of the time of the year, it was october 29, and 30th so it's just the day before halloween, okay, you had all of these various characters that you were interacting with in a 3d experience and the thing that was cool about it was the second night, we had this, you know, after hours segment and those characters in the game that actually came to life, and you actually saw these people walking around that you had interacted with, in the interactive exhibit tony morelan 12 49 yeah, i remember that being a very fun and freaky evening, i was i was working in one of the booths behind the scenes doors were closed and as they were prepping for the opening of the of the doors, the fog machine was rolling, that people started rushing in and then i saw those characters that had been in that interactive space, actually walking amongst the people and there were a few times that in a fun way, those a little not at ease with them with those different folks eric cloninger 13 23 yeah, it was kind of a creepy experience because some of those characters, i mean, they stayed in character, and they got to look right through you and it just it was very creepy experience so the after-hours is a lot of fun at you at sdc as it is, with a lot of events, it's an it's an opportunity to kind of be a lot more relaxed you'll see some people that you saw in the, the technical sessions earlier in the day, and you have a chance to maybe drill down a little deeper while you have, you know, a plate of food and beverage in your hand so it's a good experience overall and you know, to be honest, i'm looking forward to when we can do that again tony morelan 14 02 yeah, yeah, hopefully, hopefully that will be next year so i thought it would be nice if we brought in a designer slash developer who has been very involved with the samson community and who has not only attended and many of the past sdc conferences, but was also invited to speak at one of the past sessions chris shomo, from infinity watchfaces eric cloninger 14 20 hey, chris, welcome to the show chris shomo 14 23 hey, thank you for having me on here tony morelan 14 25 yeah, no, it's great it's great to have you on the podcast so looking back at the samsung developer program, chris has been one of those resources that we've turned to many times and it simply comes down to not only your success, but your willingness to share and, and really help grow the entire ecosystem for samsung watchfaces and galaxy devices chris shomo 14 43 well, one thing that i've learned is all about the community that's one of the reasons i love to share things that i find out because i've also reached out to other designers and ask them, you know, hey, how do you do this? how do you do that? and they're more than willing to share back so it really is a given take type of thing and you know, if you're nice, then you can find some answers that you're looking for out there tony morelan 15 04 there you go definitely and you know, honestly, the more success there is amongst all the designers just the more vibrant the galaxy store is just with, with lots of great content chris shomo 15 13 oh, yeah and just how it developed over time, too, because, like i've seen it, since the very beginning, when there was hardly anything on there and then just watching it explode to all these designs that you can't even imagine what's going to pop on there next it's exactly designed to blow me away all the time tony morelan 15 29 so chris is the person behind infinity watch faces, and truly is one of the first designers who started creating for the platform tell me what year was it that you actually started designing and selling on galaxy store? chris shomo 15 39 oh, goodness 2016 tony morelan 15 41 wow yeah so i actually did an episode on the podcast on chris last year, it was great episode, we talked about how you got your start creating for samsung and, and also that your house in savannah, georgia was featured in an episode of ghost hunters that it is haunted? chris shomo 15 56 yes, it is it's been quite an experience, even though i do believe that the ghost does appreciate me being here, i believe i do not know that but she's been pretty nice tony morelan 16 08 guys nice so if you want to learn much more about chris, go back to that episode and check it out it was it was a great show so in 2017, before i started working with samsung, you were actually invited to come out to san francisco and speak at the conference tell me about that chris shomo 16 22 wow, it was quite an experience and first off, it was my first developers conference, first type of any type of tech conference so i was a little nervous in the very beginning because here i am, i'm going to san francisco, and i'm getting ready to speak in front of a lot of other designers and developers what an experience it was great tony morelan 16 43 i'm sure it was nice to actually meet also the people, you know, not only at samsung, but then you know, some of the fellow developers that are part of this community chris shomo 16 51 yeah, and also met a lot of people that became future designers of for specifically watch faces, which was wonderful they always come back to me and be like, hey, i was there and i'm like, i remember you and you know, and they take off and they do very well yeah tony morelan 17 06 so i actually came across a video on youtube of you speaking at the conference and that's how i actually got my start how i first discovered that, you know, you can create these watch faces and, and start selling them for samsung now, i took it a step further and actually started working for samsung eventually chris shomo 17 23 yep and i think that's amazing i remember you sent me an email one time actually telling me that i had a typo on my website that's right and i was like, whoa, thank you, because it was just, uh, you know, no one wants a stupid typo on their website so i got that fixed and, and then i never knew that, you know, i'd be working with yeah, back and forth, like we are now and stuff so it's great it's amazing how everything is connected tony morelan 17 49 yeah so earlier this year, we announced a partnership with google and warehouse and introduced watch face studio to new tool for designing galaxy watch faces that are sold on the google play store when the tool was first developed, we asked you to be part of that early access team so can you tell me about that experience, how it is working with that tool, and what it's like to now publish on google play? chris shomo 18 10 well, first off, thank you for getting me in there and you recommended me for being part of that team and it was excellent to be part of it, because i was able to kind of push it to its limits for animations i had a really long animation, i was testing with it and i was sending it back and forth with samsung and it helped them iron out and smooth out how the animations were working on the watch and that was great and, you know, of course, there's going to be a little bit of growing pains in the very beginning we're working on that but it's been amazing how the team at samsung has been so responsive and to get the software right for us you can really create some masterpieces so i'm excited about this tony morelan 18 55 yeah, and that's why i thought it was so important to have you part of that team is because really your designs are not like the typical design i mean, you really do push the software to try and get the most out of it you know, they're there's fun, they're quirky, i mean animations are a huge part of your designs so is there anything new and exciting that we can anticipate coming out in the in the near future? chris shomo 19 15 oh, wow i don't really know myself because i kind of jumped around so much with these designs, which is another reason why yeah, i guess it's kind of unexpected and surprising when another one comes out at one time you'll have like dancing tigers in the next second you have dolphins and sea turtle swimming i'm working on getting one onto the google play store right now called flip out that has the dolphins and the sea turtles and then tiger time as well and then we got a giant eyeball for halloween that she's showing up so yeah, a bunch of different things tony morelan 19 48 you've got it in there they're super crazy they're very artistic chris shomo 19 51 thank you yeah, and it also one of the things that i like to concentrate on is trying to bring joy to people with the watch face is where they look at it and you know, just for a moment of time, they can actually, you know, take a break from reality, they get absorbed into the watch smile for a minute if that happens, and i know it's exceeded tony morelan 20 13 it also what i love is how you build in this sort of like goals where the watch will change, like, lets you step into an example, as you're reaching your different step goals throughout the day, your watch face then is also changing throughout the day chris shomo 20 27 and that started out of course, with the ties and watches and it worked with every one step goal percentage that they set with the watch and that was another thing that i'm glad i was in the beta because i was really expressing how much we needed a step goal percentage and to work with it, and they added it in after i requested it and it was really quick and of course there are some differences where we have to set the watch pace to its unique step goal as opposed to the user set step go but that's because of that they're trying to make it so it's compatible with all the different watches and where it was but that's cool, it opens up a new line of challenge faces where you can reach 1000 steps for this to happen 2000 steps for this to happen and i think it's really going to open the door for a lot of unique and creative designs tony morelan 21 17 you know, you brought up a great point that i always stress and that is how approachable samsung is to our developer community samsung really does listen to our developers and we actually want to have that one on one communications you know, through our different channels, it is really easy to reach out to us and we'll give you that that personal attention that we know our developers need when they're creating for samsung chris shomo 21 39 and i've really watched the developers program grow over time too because back in 2016 you know it was kind of a shot in the dark but everybody was like new to it samsung was new to this the watch faces and working with this well ready to be flooded of designers that are getting ready to come in and then every one of samsung embraced us we feel like we're part of a family tony morelan 22 02 thanks thanks, chris i got to thank you for jumping in and joining us on the podcast when sdc is back in person i hope to see you there, if not sooner, i will definitely be there chris shomo 22 10 count me in tony morelan 22 12 awesome thanks, chris thanks eric cloninger 22 15 it was great to hear from chris he's a part of the community of designers and developers that really make the galaxy store special tony morelan 22 22 yeah, he's been there from pretty much day one so it was great to catch up with chris and like i said, i can't wait to actually see him in person so it past sdcs, we've done what's called the best of galaxy store awards, i think, sec 18 was the first time that we did the show at the conference sec 19 that's when i actually hosted it down in san jose, it was great we have a lot of the winners actually, at the conference, we're able to recognize them for the great apps that they've created for galaxy store however, last year in 2020, because we did not have a conference, we did a virtual award show this was presented on youtube as a life premiere and it really actually was a lot of fun because we were able to reach out to a quite a big audience eric cloninger 23 09 one of the things i thought was cool about that once we all said in the chat room, it was in the early evening us time, but there were people logging in from russia and the czech republic and slovenia all of these developers and designers who had created things in one go is the middle of their night, but they were on there congratulating each other tony morelan 23 29 i think it really shows how the award show is really a global award show i mean we've got winners from all around the world winners from large companies down to indie designers and developers and it really is a huge, huge community eric cloninger 23 45 i think it shows how the galaxy store enables a lot of smaller operations, smaller individuals who may get lost in a larger organization that they can actually create something and monetize it and enjoy the success that they can have from their own work tony morelan 24 03 yeah, no that's very true that being said, though, there have been some pretty big names that we've recognized with awards in the past we've given awards to tik tok, epic games fortnite, microsoft with their franchise forza, top golf, that was another one and then there's a great company butterfly affected that his license big brands like spongebob, hello kitty, and star trek, it was great to see them recognized for their work eric cloninger 24 31 and also last year, for the first time, bixby developers had the opportunity to have their capsules judged and in 2020 the winner was spotify tony morelan 24 43 yeah, it was a lot of fun i actually worked on many of the trailers that were shown in the award show and spotify was one of the ones that i really, really enjoyed doing, not only the voiceover for but integrating the music and all the editing that was that was a lot of fun to work on that project and we look forward to that in 2021 eric cloninger 24 59 and so when is the award show this year tony morelan 25 05 so the award show will be part of sdc so that is on october 26 later on in the evening, though, we're going to be doing a premiere on youtube at 6pm eastern, and we will be participating in a live chat so we would love for, you know, not only the winners will be on participating in this live chat, but we would love just to have the community on there so we can all get together as a chance to, you know, congratulate the winners, and really talk about all of the great apps that were recognized during the award show eric cloninger 25 35 yeah, the one thing about this, that i think we did have a lot of fun with it last year, and we hope to have more fun this year in that chat session, the invitation goes out to really everyone who is interested in the galaxy ecosystem and that could be anybody who is a user or a consumer or a developer or a designer you know, we want to we want to celebrate everyone's hard work tony morelan 25 59 definitely, definitely and if you would like to actually go back and see who the previous winners are, and actually learn more about this upcoming award show, you can go over to developer samsung com forward slash awards to learn more about the best of galaxy store award show so let's talk about sdc 21 as you know, it's a virtual show that will be on october 26 where can people find out more information about registering to attend the virtual conference? eric cloninger 26 28 so the conference is free for anyone to attend, and you can learn more at developer samsung com slash sdc tony morelan 26 38 let's talk about some of the sessions what can you share about the sessions at sdc 21? eric cloninger 26 44 well, i don't want to steal any of the thunder from the product teams have been working so hard for the last year but it will tell you that most every technology team that is working on products at samsung will have something to talk about at sdc so if you're interested in the one ui beta, you'll learn a lot more about that at the sessions, the watchface tools, there's a podcasting platform that's brand new that i think you know something about, tony morelan 27 09 yeah, yeah, no, i am helping out the podcast platform team we're excited samsung has their new podcast platform, making it easy for users to listen to podcasts and we're really excited because in october, we're going to be expanding this platform to countries in europe so it's really a big deal you can check out my session and i kind of walk you through how it is that you submit your podcast to samsung so do you have any insight on what is going to be featured in the keynote, eric cloninger 27 38 i do have a little bit of information to share and one of the things that is always kind of fun with the keynote at sdc is that samsung president dj koh will be speaking as well as many other people from within the design and engineering teams at samsung as you know, the last physical sdc was in 2019, your seems like our world has kind of stopped but to be honest, the pace of technology keeps on moving and so nearly every samsung technology team will be there and they want to talk about all the innovation creation that they've done in the last two years so there'll be things announced for nearly every technology team from bixby and smartthings to mobile devices and smart tvs there's lots of information for developers that they will be able to use to create their own products for 2022 and beyond tony morelan 28 34 so really exciting sdc 21 is going to be october 26 eric cloninger 28 39 and if you want to attend, all you have to do is register at developer samsung com/sdc it's free to attend and we would love to see you there tony morelan 28 51 excellent hey, eric, thanks so much for being on the podcast super exciting to be back at it with sdc and i can't i can't wait for it eric cloninger 28 59 oh, absolutely it's really, it's the result of a year's worth of work by hundreds of people and we really want to share it with all the people out there tony morelan 29 10 yeah, it should be a great show right thanks, eric all right eric cloninger 29 13 thank you, tony closing 29 14 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docsdc21 this year’s conference was a virtual conference, with insightful highlight sessions and in-depth tech talks in this episode, i sit down with several samsung insiders, to recap the many highlights from this year’s show we'll chat about one ui 4, the samsung incubation program, smartthings, bixby, our partnership with google and the new watch ecosystem, samsung internet and our new podcast platform listen download this episode topics covered samsung incubation program one ui 4 samsung internet smartthings bixby developers watch ecosystem samsung podcast platform transcript note transcripts are provided by an automated service and reviewed by the samsung developers web team inaccuracies from the transcription process do occur, so please refer to the audio if you are in doubt about the transcript tony morelan 00 01 hey, i'm tony morelan, and this is pow!, the samsung developers podcasts, where we chat with innovators using samsung technologies, award winning app developers and designers, as well as insiders working on the latest samsung tools welcome to season two, episode eight after taking a year off due to the pandemic, we recently held our annual developer conference sdc21 this year's conference was a virtual conference with insightful highlight sessions in in depth tech talks in this episode, i sit down with several samsung insiders to recap some of the great moments from this year's show we'll chat about one ui 4, the samsung incubation program, smartthings, the new watch ecosystem, samsung internet and a new podcast platform enjoy so at sdc21, one of the most interesting talk sessions that i watched was the kafir innovator session where they talked about the samsung incubation program and joining me on the podcast is someone who works closely with that incubation program, alec tyszka, who's a manager technology strategy and partnerships at samsung yeah, welcome to the podcast hey, tony, how are you doing? well, let's start with what is the samsung incubation program? aleksander tyszka 01 20 sure so samsung innovation program is an incubation program that we've launched already in europe a few years back, and that we've expanded this year in the us the program itself has two main goals is one we want our business unit so you know, different groups at samsung that work on digital appliances, tvs, smartphones, wearables, we want to give them a way to do very sort of rapid prototyping to quickly develop new products and services but very highly innovative ones things that weren't organically be created if we just did our everyday work the other one is to also be able to work with the labs that samsung have done work on, though, on long term projects, we want to have sort of all the brands that that leverage all the brands we have at samsung to create these, these this long-term vision that we have about what are the services that people are going to use? what are the products that people are going to need, and try to find a way to bring these products and services to life? tony morelan 02 22 yeah, so i saw, you know, in that session where they, you know, talked about that, that need to innovate in some of those technologies that came out of those partnerships, where you know, like the health sensors with wearables, z fold, things like that, it's pretty interesting to think that those technologies came out of those partnership collaborations aleksander tyszka 02 41 yeah, i think when we start working with cutting edge technology, and you mentioned the z fold, especially some technologies i've been that have been developed internally at samsung, for flexible and foldable screens does are quite unique, right? there's only a handful of company that that make them in the world and then if you talk of, of the scale, by which we work with these, we don't make five foldable phones, right, we make 10s of millions so sure what when you work at this scale, with those sort of cutting-edge bleeding edge technology, it just takes a lot, a lot of efforts to bring them to life and samsung alone can't really do it, we need to find partners, and we need to work with them and those are typically startups and all that all sort of the people that work around startups, incubators, accelerators, venture capitalist industry experts, in we need to find the solutions to improve the product and bring these products to life tony morelan 03 34 yeah, and i'm sure that, you know, having that collaboration with those, those innovators really help you like think ahead, thinking to the future, you know, where do you need to go? where do you need to focus your energy? so it's great that there is this program to allow samsung to work with these, these innovators so tell me what are some of the details of the of the program aleksander tyszka 03 54 so the program itself is a six-month long program, we get we'll provide some funding stun company, anywhere from 20 to 100k, depending on what the companies do, if it's hardware, a software, there's no string attached with this funding, we don't take any equity and like some of the big household names like y combinator is 500 startups and then we provide a lot of mentoring, mostly technical mentoring from our engineers and our labs sure and the idea is just to help them build a prototype help them showcase a demo to our executive immediately after the program after six months, two years, two outcomes we're really looking for and then we'll qualify as successful outcomes is either investment or commercialization meaning we'll work with the companies will leverage our solution to build a product tony morelan 04 41 ah, that's great so in the call for innovator session, what was the key highlight the key takeaway from that session? aleksander tyszka 04 47 sure the key highlight for us is really that we need partners we want to be part of the ecosystem and we want to give back that ecosystem you know, startups are a major part of that ecosystem they're very forward looking we want to, we want to leverage their ideas, and we want to contribute positively to them want to help them and we want to be able to connect with the entire ecosystem behind the startups, the universities, the vcs, incubators, we want to work with all these people that's the main takeaway is samsung wants to remain, you know, very innovative, but we want to do it tony morelan 05 22 with partners you know, my takeaway from that session was hearing that success story fibricheck, where they created that on device, ecg sensing, that would help detect irregular and rapid heart rate using ai in our in our galaxy watch and seeing that, you know, it wasn't just that we provided funding, but it was that collaboration where you know, where we helped build the medical grade application, we, you know, helped with the regulatory approval, but then also learning that that we helped with, you know, define what their business model was in their in their go to market strategy that was really neat to see that that success story that was shared aleksander tyszka 06 02 yeah, i think for especially when companies in the health space, right, we did that, that's a pretty fragmented space, right? there's a lot of device manufacturers in many different countries that have their own sort of regulatory constraints by working with these types of companies, we provide a very sort of great way, a great go to market strategy for them, it's sort of built in, it's like, here's our wearables, we sell, you know, 10s of millions of them every year and they're very standard, they're easy to integrate, and well will support older go to market, going through retail stores, and those sort of things i mean, it makes it easier for the company right to quickly grow their company and for help, specifically, that fear check is such a great example of the sort of things we're trying to achieve, right and there's a ton more we can do at that space, people are talking about noninvasive, continuous glucose monitoring, maybe hydration as well in the future, and we want to find a company building these features and try to work with them tony morelan 07 01 yeah, and, you know, just at large, we've got this enormous ecosystem, you know, with our devices, you know, with galaxy store smartthings, bixby and there's just so many areas that we can be involved with aleksander tyszka 07 11 yeah, the ecosystem we provide is it's huge and it's sometimes it's hard for us to prioritize which companies we want to bring in into that ecosystem, right but going through a program like samsung's incubation program, were able to quickly filter for the best partners and focus our efforts, our efforts, sorry, on the ones that were most contribute to that ecosystem tony morelan 07 32 so it was great to hear you know, all about the samsung incubation program, what is the best way for people to connect with your team? aleksander tyszka 07 41 so we will have a website up and running pretty soon until then you can email us at info jump@samsung com tony morelan 07 49 so there were a lot of great sessions at sdc21 what were some of the favorite sessions that you saw that developers should check out? aleksander tyszka 07 56 yeah, i think the first one i have in mind is the one on the foldable device, i have a full device myself, i really, really like it, i get a lot of comment when people see it and then when they know and looking at stuff with it, there's basically different modes, right? you can you can use the front screen and use it like a regular device but the second you fold it, like a 45-degree angle, you want the app to act differently with the application so a good example of that is what if it became sort of like a gameboy where you have your screen on one on one ends? and bottom part of your controllers? yeah and there's a lot more use case like that what about video conferencing tool where you can see other people in the top screen in the bottom screen is a whiteboard where people can collaborate so i think there's a lot of use cases that can develop and we haven't even begun sort of scratching the surface of what can be devops so i look forward to see more developers think about that start developing around that and see what they can come up with tony morelan 08 49 excellent that's great hey, alec, i really appreciate you coming on the podcast today it was it was wonderful to learn much more about what you guys are doing at the samsung incubation program aleksander tyszka 08 58 oh, thank you very much for having me tony was a pleasure excellent thanks tony morelan 09 01 so one ui four was one of the biggest announcements we made at sdc and i'm excited to have on the podcast, head of the core ux group for samsung mobile, he and kim hyun kim 09 12 hi, i'm leon kim, and for inviting me and it's very exciting to be joining podcast tony morelan 09 19 so when you why is the user interface installed on samsung devices and was originally released back in 2019 for people who are listening to the podcast that might not be familiar with the details of one ui? can you give us a brief overview? hyun kim 09 32 oh, sure one ui means entire software experience that galaxy devices are delivering to our users, meaning it actually includes productivity experience and watching videos and privacy experience, onboarding experience and all different services and apps and all that our customer can enjoy from galaxy devices tony morelan 09 56 you gave a highlight session at sdc on the soon to be released one ui four that was really insightful can you share some of the key takeaways from that session? hyun kim 10 06 sure ever since we launched the one ui, we've been emphasized our users to be able to focus on what matters at each moment so focus is one of the highlighted experience that we want to enhance, as well and when you're a 4 0 on top of it, we also want to deliver the comfort experience as well especially these days, pandemic gives our users screen for t, meaning the screen time is increasing and the number of apps that people are juggling, and for period of time that they are looking at the screen is increasing and then people are having eye fatigue and we actually really need to deliver more comfortable experience for their eyes and for their peace of mind so we took care of all those aspects when we design on ui four so we took out visual lewis's as much as possible, we took out the number of colors, we took out the number of different font sizes, minimize the visual noises, so that user can focus on and consume the important content and third test that they think it matters at the moment very comfortably also, we allow extra diem feature, when user see the screen went dark, we want their eyes to be more comfortable so we collaborate with google make the screen even darker than the darkest level right now and we believe that would be more comfortable with those new features and new design tony morelan 11 56 yeah, no, that's great and i loved hearing about the natural interactions, these intuitive interactions that are being developed into one uio 4 talk about that hyun kim 12 05 recently, people are juggling more number of apps, and they are facing the more number of features and they're consuming more amount of content, meaning we need to provide very simple ui, ui needs to be higher level of intuitiveness so we wanted to put more gesture on the content itself so that user can feel they manipulate and control content itself without looking at ui component so then, non-visual component should help users to feel the reaction when user touch the screen so we put motions, visuals and physical feedback harmonize together, so that when user touch the content and move the content and drag and drop the content, we want them to feel they are moving the real physical object to one place to another tony morelan 13 08 yeah, and those vibrations, those are called haptics, correct haptics, hyun kim 13 11 right? every version of you on ui, we enhance the haptics and this year, the direction of enhancement of haptic feedback is not only just adding a right bit back in the right place, but also, we add the haptic feedback with motion and visuals together to create a feeling of natural interaction in the physical world tony morelan 13 35 yeah, so i know that that that combination of sound animation and haptics will definitely provide for some very, very real-life device interactions talk a bit about privacy, because i know that privacy was mentioned in your session, what are some of the improvements related around privacy? hyun kim 13 53 basically, what we believe is transparency is very important so providing peace of mind, for our customer, about the privacy, the basically transparency is really important the first one is we're showing all the apps list that are using user's personal data so the user can see which apps are using which data and then user can easily access the individual apps permission, turning on and off also, on offered right corner of the device the screen is showing when camera or mic is on then icon is displayed, so that user can clearly recognize okay, camera is on mic is on and if it's not fair, then you can feel safe okay, nobody's listening or watching tony morelan 14 47 yeah, that's, that's great so coming from one ui three, what are some of the biggest improvements that we're now going to see in one ui for hyun kim 14 55 improvement wise as a new experience is self-expression, the more we research customers, the more we're sure that they're expressing themselves in many different ways and have any fun ways and they want to express their emotions and thoughts, and creativities and their identities and themselves, as they are in many different places in our galaxy one ui for we want them to enjoy expressing themselves for instance, we're launching a new tool for them to create a fun emoji pair animation for them to create their own content to express their emotions but sometimes one emoji isn't just enough for them to express their rich emotions people can choose two different images to put together and put animation to bring the combo to life and then there are chosen to emoji can be animated and delivered to their friends and family via messenger and it'll be very fun content, like exploding head yeah, you can create your own content there are many, many fun, any major that we're providing also, there are presets so we believe people will enjoy this in samsung keyboard when they communicate each other and they will express their emotion in a very fun way also, we enhance photo editor a lot so that people can express their thoughts and creativity when they picture and edit it and share every year we've been enhancing photo editor video earlier about this year, we redesigned editors so that user can see this very seamless and easy, simple, intuitive editor ux tony morelan 16 54 and i loved when you spoke about extracting wallpaper colors to be used throughout the ui experience hyun kim 17 00 oh, yeah, that's, that's another very fun feature, except for expression isn't just about what you send out self-expression is about your styles, you can style your phone, you can extract the color from your wallpaper, you also can pick your wallpaper from your gallery so you can choose whatever your favorite pictures from your gallery and put your wallpaper and then we're providing four different color palette that can apply to your one ui and you can choose one of the four options, then your ui color will be changed and color schemes will be different or depending on what you're choosing and this is a little different than other like theming services because when your eyes original usability and identity are still there but the color keeping the readability usability, the only the color is going to be changing yeah and you can still enjoy the benefit of one ui with only the color that you choose from the wallpaper tony morelan 18 12 yeah, in you get that single experience across all platforms, meaning you know all of your devices, whether it's your phone, your tablet, your watch galaxy book, tell me a little bit more about that cross-platform experience, hyun kim 18 24 we have been putting effort, the device eco system experience this year, we launched the wherewith for when you watch and more than ever, we put the best seamless experience between galaxy book galaxy watch, and flip and folder and phone and tablet and we also launched enhanced version of quick share the experience for sending receiving files between devices, click share allows users to send and receive any type of files to your friends who has galaxy and to your devices and receive as well quickly if the devices are around you tony morelan 19 14 yeah, that's great so tell me when will when ui for be available on different devices hyun kim 19 21 we're really excited to be releasing one ui four update before the end of the year tony morelan 19 26 and to upgrade is it as simple as going into your menu settings, your software, update menu settings and just selecting the upgrade? hyun kim 19 35 yeah, you can update it go to settings and software update tony morelan 19 39 excellent so for developers that want to learn more about when ui for what is the best way, hyun kim 19 45 you can go to websites like www dot developer at samsung com/one-ui tony morelan 19 56 what other sessions at sdc would you suggest that developers checkout? hyun kim 19 59 sure, there are many, many exciting helpful sessions but one other person that i want to recommend is one of the highlights session for the title was what's new in foldable and they're talking about multitasking capabilities and flex mode to help developers optimize their own apps and optimizing web pages supporting flex mode by using the web share device posture api tony morelan 20 25 yeah, yeah and there was also there was a tech talk session that i liked, called one ui designing a more intuitive, approachable experience that was by jung woo, you that was another great, great session hyun kim 20 36 yeah, he's actually a member in my group and he has been putting a huge amount of effort to prepare that session and i know the content is very fun and exciting tony morelan 20 48 well, thanks for joining me on the podcast again it was wonderful to chat with you and about the upcoming release of one ui for sure thank hyun kim 20 55 you thanks thanks for having me here tony morelan 20 58 all right next on the podcast is someone very familiar with the show who i've had on the podcast several times now, dan, apple quest from samsung internet dan appelquist 21 06 hi, tony it's great to be back on the podcast tony morelan 21 10 excellent so dan is the director of developer advocacy for samsung internet we did an episode last year and actually did another episode earlier this year so be sure to go check out those to learn a ton about samsung internet, and what dan's team's doing but for those that might not be familiar with samsung internet, can you tell us what is samsung internet? dan appelquist 21 28 sure i'm leading the developer advocacy group of samsung internet, our group is based in in the uk, actually and we're kind of an international team what is samsung internet? samsung internet is samsung's mobile browser for android phones it's also available for any android phone, but it is shipped on samsung phones it's the purple planet you know, if you're if you're familiar with your normal samsung icon, set your one ui concept that's us that's the purple planet we also just launched a version for galaxy watch, which is very cool that's hot off the press news right now so if you've got a one of the latest galaxy watches, you can also download samsung internet for galaxy watch it's based on chromium, the chromium project, which is the same open source project that google chrome is based off of, a lot of other browsers are based on chromium however, samsung is also a major contributor into the chromium project into the chromium open source projects so we're not just taking the chromium browser and slapping our own ui on it that we're actually contributing in to chromium and we do an awful lot to build our own features and technologies into samsung internet so in, in particular, we focus on privacy so we protect your privacy with features like safe browsing, our own in house smart anti tracking technology, and the ability to install third party blockers, ad blockers, tracking blockers, that kind of thing so those are the kinds of things that we're doing to kind of protect people as they use the web and that's an that's such a key important role that browsers have we're also a great platform first progressive web apps if you have attended any of our previous sessions at previous sdcs you'll know that we're big fans of progressive web apps just briefly, a progressive web app is a web application that can be installed onto your device and looks to the user as if it is a native application but it's actually running inside the browser so good example is twitter has a progressive web app pwa many other web sites and web properties have progressive web app versions of their other applications and in fact, we just participated in a separate conference, which just ran recently in collaboration with microsoft and google, and that had a complete focus on pwa s and if you're interested in that, it's all streamable from pwa summit org tony morelan 24 06 awesome so there were some great sessions at sec related to samsung at both when it came to foldables and with extensions, can you tell me what were some of the highlights for you? sure dan appelquist 24 16 so we're really, really excited to be able to speak at sdc this year about our work with foldables so as far as foldables go, the exciting news that we're able to talk about is that we're launching an experimental api called the device posture api it's being developed in the world wide web consortium in the w three c as a proposed web standard with intel and microsoft as partners this api is launched behind a flag right now, tony morelan 24 47 what does that mean dan appelquist 24 48 behind a flag? it means you have to you have to activate it, in order to make it work it's not going to work out of the box and that's because it is experimental the reason it's like that is because we want people to experiment with this api sure, it may change, right and usually when api's are in this kind of place where are in a phase of their development where they might change their launched behind a flag, so that developers get a chance to play with it, play with it feedback into the process and by the way, laura, for my team who gave the talk on device posture api at sdc is also the person participating in the standards committee, the w three c devices and sensors working group and contributing that into that work all of that is happening on github so there's absolutely an opportunity for developers to get engaged and all of that information is in is in laura's talk as well tony morelan 25 45 oh, yeah, that's great yeah, i had laura on the podcast earlier this year that she would she was an excellent guest dan appelquist 25 50 she's, she's great she's really good we've also been working with some partners to get their feedback and to get some early implementations out there so that we can get some experience with this in particular, we're working with youtube and we're working with a company called whereby, which is a video conferencing company based out of norway okay so these are good examples of where you might want to change the ui of your web application when the user folds the device and that's basically the key element here that we're talking about and that's also why when we're talking about this new api, we're talking about it in the context of responsive design yeah, and that was a lot of the focus of laura's talk as well responsive design, meaning that the application itself responds to changes in the screen size in the orientation, that kind of thing so you are responding and being i'm adapting the ui to the to the user's needs tony morelan 26 52 yeah and i love the interactive code lab, the laura had been involved with there dan appelquist 26 58 that's right and, and that, again, can allow you to kind of sink your teeth into this api, and, you know, with code examples, and, and real tutorial about how to get up and running with this so yeah, so again, very excited to be able to do this in the virtual sdc environment tony morelan 27 20 yeah excellent so next, let's talk about the extensions, the session that that was that was given, right tell me about that so dan appelquist 27 27 yeah, my colleague cyclon gave a talk on the current state of our extensions api so we launched a third-party extensions api this year and we opened that up to a wider developer community by the way, we're on one of very few mobile browsers that actually allow third party extensions and we also have within the browser itself, you can go to the extensions menu, and you can find a list of the of the kinds of approved extensions that we have excellent but those are also they're downloadable from the galaxy store but once installed, they become part of the browser, right? so the extensions add new features to the browser right so just to highlight two of the extensions that are currently available for installation, we have the translator extension, which allows you to translate web pages from one language to another that's actually developed in house really, yeah, very, very cool, very cool stuff and we recently launched an extension from the web monetization company coil that is, that's a technology that can make anonymous micro transactions micro payments to websites that you browse from a cryptocurrency wallet and this is, this is a kind of approach that is seen by some people as a replacement for pervasive tracking networks that currently power advertising on the web one way of moving beyond that is to pay websites directly for the time that you spend on them so this is a really interesting idea we've been tracking this for a while and talking to people at coyle, who are also participants in w three, c, and a lot of the other kind of developer activities that were that we're involved in as well so we're very excited to be able to launch this extension it's their extension, but it's launched in the in the samsung browser, and you can install it and then you can start kind of paying websites through coil for the time that you spend on them it only supports websites that that are subscribed to the coil system, right so it's exactly yeah, it's early days on it, but it's something that's very exciting tony morelan 29 34 yeah, yeah interesting concept, sort of like the pay as you go yeah, format dan appelquist 29 38 yeah yeah you know, i don't work for coyle, right but one of the things i think is interesting about it is that those transactions are anonymous so it's very privacy preserving, and it fits together with our philosophy of trying to enhance and protect user privacy tony morelan 29 53 yeah, no, i know privacy is a big thing for you guys over samsung internet yeah, definitely so are there any other sessions at sdc21, that developers should be sure to check out dan appelquist 30 03 well, i would suggest checking out the session called what's new and foldables first of all, which is a kind of highlight session, give it gives a high-level overview and gives a lot of really good context about flex mode, what flex mode is, or what we're referring to as flex mode, which is, again, adapting the user experience of any application to the conditions of the folding device and how that's so important from a user experience standpoint and my colleague dongbu actually gives a brief intro in that session to the device postures api, which leads into laura's longer, more detailed talk got it, and he gives a demo a little demo of how that works as well, which is, which is very cool tony morelan 30 49 yeah, i love learning about all the multitasking capabilities with foldables that was that was great to hear yeah so if developers want to learn more about samsung internet, what is the best way? dan appelquist 31 00 well, you can visit our page on developer samsung com/internet that's got links to our blog, and we blog on medium as well but really, if you go to developer samsung com/internet you can find links there to all the places on the web where, we're present you can also follow us at samsung internet on twitter excellent, where you can always find out what we're doing and you know, we try to keep that up to date with news about samsung internet, but also just the developer activities that we're participating in the standards activities that we're participating in our team manages that twitter handle directly so it's a direct line to our team and our dms are open so if you do have questions about samsung internet, you can feel free to dm us they're tony morelan 31 50 awesome awesome hey, dan, thanks very much for being on the podcast and giving us an insight into the highlights with samsung internet and sdc21 dan appelquist 31 59 thank you, tony it's always a pleasure awesome thanks, tony morelan 32 01 dan there were some great tech talks at sdc related to smart things and lots of great new innovations for shared i'm excited to have aaron swift on the podcast director of customer and partner strategy at smart thanks hey, aaron aaron swift 32 16 hey, tony, how are you doing? tony morelan 32 18 doing just fine, lots of tech talks and even a highlight session for smart things so let's start with the session smart things find from lost to found what were some of the key points with this session aaron swift 32 28 smartthings find launched last year as a service to enable customers to locate galaxy devices such as phones, watches earbuds, your s pen pro, like whatever you might leave on the bus or the train accidentally it comprises more than 100 million find nodes and over 230,000 devices are located every day tony morelan 32 49 so a find no just to clarify, find note is that like another device that's this part of this network, aaron swift 32 55 yeah, like a phone or a tablet, a galaxy phone or a galaxy tablet, running the smartthings app with smartthings fine and as you saw, philip and moon did a great presentation talking about other hardware oems can now integrate their products with smart things fine so we have today our first smart tag device which you could attach to your keys that's available on the market now for everyone but anyone who wants to can start building their own tag devices or integrating their hardware products into the final tony morelan 33 29 yeah, i think that opening up the smartthings five network to the outside hardware oems is going to be huge and will absolutely expand the network tremendously aaron swift 33 39 yeah and they made a set of tools there's this fine device sdk and the test suites they make it really easy for any device manufacturer, whether it's ble, or ultra-wideband, to start integrating their devices if you're using the nordic dialogue or nxp chipset yeah, it's really easy to add the fine sdk into your device for certification tony morelan 34 01 that's going to be that's going to be great there was a session called smart things build and tell me what were some of the highlights for you in that session aaron swift 34 09 that session was led by jenny brand meyer and andy sayer are director of product management and director of engineering okay, and they talked about extending our platform, which historically has been very end user focus, you are buying samsung tvs and appliances for your home and now we're extending the platform for multifamily builders and apartment managers to put in the new apartment buildings okay, there's a new toolset with that, that will allow an installer to go set up hundreds of apartments and hundreds of refrigerators and dishwashers and washing machines and apartments really tony morelan 34 46 quickly so this is giving them the ability to sort of monitor the like what's happening with the with these devices if there's you know, you've got some sort of fault that happens within the system, they can detect that aaron swift 34 58 yeah, so property managers we'll be able to integrate your monitor their fleet of samsung appliances from their property management tool are there any tony morelan 35 08 apis or sdks? related to this? aaron swift 35 12 yeah, so one of the cool things about this new offering is there's a dedicated set of tools and api and sdk set to make it easy for property management software companies, like in trata, to come integrate and provide fleet management for all of the appliances tony morelan 35 28 the one thing that comes to mind, though, when you mentioned something about, you know, giving property managers, the ability to sort of monitor all these devices that are in these homes, comes down to privacy, what's in place related to privacy, when you're talking about something like this aaron swift 35 43 user privacy is front of mind to us, whether you are a home owner or a renter and so what we've done is we put together a new set of permissions on the platform, so that property managers only have the minimum access to data coming off of the appliance is needed to troubleshoot for failures got it if there happens to be something wrong, the property managers will be able to pull some information off of the appliances to troubleshoot the air, but they cannot tell that you're getting your 11pm glass of milk before you go to bed tony morelan 36 18 yeah, the last thing i need is my property manager knowing that i was in my freezer last night going for little ice cream bins aaron swift 36 24 right, right and so we've made sure that users are front of mind in this, that's, that's great, and that their privacy is protected tony morelan 36 31 yeah, that's super important there was also a session called smartthings edge and i thought this was really interesting this is where the execution is done locally without reliance on the cloud tell me more about that session aaron swift 36 44 in summer 2020, we announced major changes coming to our platform, this session ended up being such a long session with so many great speakers, because we are really excited to be talking about those changes sure a couple of my favorite ones are from zack and vlad talking about smart things edge before, when you use smart things to turn on a light with a motion sensor, your motion sensor would detect motion in your home, it would send that motion event to your hub up to the cloud, the cloud would tell you to run that automation, send the event back down to the hub to tell the light ball to turn on sure and that happened quickly but it's not quite as natural as still being able to go turn on the light or the local motion sensor in your home yeah so what smartthings edge does is it took the device events and the automation event and was able to start processing them locally yeah so now when you use that motion sensor to turn on a light motion is detected that goes to the hub, the automation is processed on the hub, and sent back over to the light to turn off without ever having to reach out to the cloud to confirm that event tony morelan 37 56 like what would be a device where you needed like instant, instant, you know, reaction time between the hub and the and the device aaron swift 38 05 so all zigbee and z wave and wi fi devices have the ability to run locally on the hub now with automations okay, so one of the most natural feeling ones is that example i gave with the light you want light to turn on right away? yeah similarly, if you want to be walking into a room and having the temperatures change, or having the vents open and close, the thermostat adjusts those are great use cases for local automations as well okay, what we're doing now is we're investing more features into the rules api to make more automations run locally got it so over time, you'll see more and more complex automations be able to run locally on your hub tony morelan 38 43 for edge devices is it a closed ecosystem? or is it can anyone build for edge? aaron swift 38 49 great question so we've released a collection of edge devices on our smartthings developers github repository that anyone can reference and then any hardware oem can add their fingerprint or their devices to that repository anyone can build their own edge devices if they want to tony morelan 39 10 wow, that's, that's, that's great so i saw there was a highlight session building the future smart home today that talked about the new matter standard can you tell me what was shared in that in that session? aaron swift 39 21 matter is the foundation for smart homes of the future? over 200 companies have come together to develop a standard that is going to be the basis for smart home devices to integrate in the future tony morelan 39 34 would you say that like today the is the ecosystem? is it pretty fragmented? aaron swift 39 39 correct there are all sorts of different smart home standards from all sorts of different companies out there, and each one operates just a little bit different from each other, which makes it hard for device manufacturers to integrate with each platform mater is going to take that fragmentation and create a common application language and data model that will apply across all the data from smartphone platforms, regardless of tony morelan 40 02 yeah, i think that's going to be great, especially for consumers so that they don't have to like decide between which technologies they want to, to purchase that it's all going to kind of seamlessly work together aaron swift 40 12 correct and if you buy a light bulb with the with the matter logo on it, you will know that it'll work with smart things, or any other matters supported ecosystem tony morelan 40 21 that's awesome that is super, super great to hear so you've talked a lot about all these different technologies related to smart things what's the best way for developers to learn even more about smart things? aaron swift 40 34 the best place to go for more information is developer samsung com/smartthings from there you can learn more about building edge devices or cloud devices or stay tuned for future updates on our investment in matter you know all of the sdc sessions on smartthings were great are there any other sessions that you would recommend developers checkout i'm personally a bit of a tv nerd so i'm really excited for redefining the experience of watching tv and what's new in samsung smart tv services tony morelan 41 04 yeah, no, i know, a bunch of the people over the tv plus and it's a great group and doing a lot of amazing things over there a lot of great content coming out that's exciting excellent hey, aaron, i really appreciate you coming on the podcast it was great chatting with you and learning a bit more about smart things and looking forward to chatting with you again in the in the near future aaron swift 41 22 great thanks, tony tony morelan 41 26 so next, i'd like to welcome roger kibbe to the podcast senior developer evangelist for bixby samsung's intelligent assistant technology welcome, roger roger kibbe 41 35 well, thanks you and i talked gosh, was probably over a year ago yeah, actually on the podcast so i'm excited to be back and talk to you about what's new and what we just saw at sdc yeah tony morelan 41 47 so it was i think about a year and a half ago safe to say that a lots happened since then so tell me what is the latest with bixby developers? roger kibbe 41 55 yeah, so we just announced several things that sdc are highlighted some things that changed first thing i want to talk about is some of the ways we've made it easier to develop for bixby and these weren't new announcements, but kind of highlighting some of the changes we've made over the past year or so and so a lot of these are focusing on improving the developer experience, one of the things we did is we created a new training ui so use the training ui to create natural language training and one of the great challenges and voice experiences is to get your natural language training, working well after all, it's the way users interact with all the business logic that you've written so that's a great challenge and so we built a new ui to make that more intuitive and hopefully easier and simpler to build great experiences we also built something we call the component gallery because bixby is on multimodal devices, there is a ui for bixby experience and the component gallery is a wysiwyg component editor so i'm writing some code for what we call bixby views, i can pop up the component gallery, configure something graphically, and it just dumps the code right in so it just makes it easier and then finally, we made it super simple to load a capsule directly from github so we have a bunch of sample code on github and now directly in the studio you can load that sample code from github without having to go and clone it or download it and go through all the previous hassles he had to do so just an example of some of the improvements we made to make it frankly, just easier if your day to day life as a developer developing something for bixby tony morelan 43 32 awesome so let me ask on the end, that component gallery actually was watching one of the sdc sessions on that is pretty cool so just to clarify, this is where like on the device when you give a voice prompt, and the device bixby reacts to that you can then have graphic images appearing on the device is that correct? roger kibbe 43 50 yeah, yeah so you can either when you're basically whenever bixby is communicating with the user, you can actually have a graphical ui on there that's complimentary and it also could have things like buttons on it, or sliders or controls, because one of the things is all these samsung devices so you know, the phone, the watch the television, the tv, all have a ui on there so bixby is not just a voice experience, but it's really a multimodal experience so you need to build graphical ui, we built a tool to make it pretty darn easy to do so tony morelan 44 26 so i heard a bit about bixby on windows tell me tell me about this new announcement roger kibbe 44 30 yeah, so brand new so bixby is available on the galaxy book notebooks so there's the samsung's newest notebooks so bixby is right there is a command key to launch bixby can turn on hi bixby so you can talk to your windows notebook you can ask questions and you can have it control smartthings home automation, you can ask it to find files you can ask them to change windows settings so right now, you know it's focused on a fairly narrow set of things but i'm super excited about we have this brand-new device, a windows laptop, what can you do with a voice front end in front of that? and what are ways where we can make it simpler and easier for a user to use their laptop? by talking to it? to my mind? there's a lot to be discovered there yeah, what we created is kind of step one in a journey toward, you know, making voice a modality that makes it easier for us to interact with our technology, which is what it's all about yeah, exactly tony morelan 45 31 and you had mentioned smart things there was a session at sdc titled enabling intelligent voice control on your iot devices and i know in that they talked about smart things and a lot about bixby tell me, what were some of the key takeaways for you from that session? roger kibbe 45 45 yeah so we introduced something called the bixby home platform, and it's a way of interfacing what you've done a big sweet voice with some of the smart things capabilities and the best way to explain it is for me to give some examples of what you can do and so first example is i might say hi, bixby turn on the dining room lights now if i'd set up dining room lights in smart things, boom, work great today but if i hadn't set up something called dining room lights, today, bixby re prompt you? or say, i can't find dining room lights, that's not a really good user experience sure so what you can set up with the bixby home platform is a lot more smarter logics so hi, bixby turn on the dining room lights, because we can say sorry, i can't find dining room lights, but you have kitchen lights, your bedroom lights, you have den lights? which one would you like to turn on? and so then you kind of the user asked for something that it didn't understand but at a set of airing out? it's like, well, i know you wanted to turn a light on yeah, here's the lights i can turn on and so i kind of prompted the user to, you know, what's the right can you want, much like we would do, frankly, a natural conversation tony morelan 47 00 exactly if roger kibbe 47 01 you ask me something that i didn't understand, i'd probably go can you clarify that? right yeah and so and this is a little bit of adding that kind of logic there so i think that's one great example of just a quote unquote, air becoming a success sure the other thing i want to highlight, and i think this is where it gets really interesting, and frankly, pretty sexy, to me, is where you're actually taking the voice input and you're taking what the iot device, its state and what it's sensing and combining them for some intelligent response okay, so let me let me give you an example so i could say hi bixby, turn on my air purifier, yeah, buy an air purifier, boom, today would turn it on all good but now with the bixby home platform, i can set it up so when i say hi bixby turn on the air purifier, instead of instantly turning on, i can go query the air purifier and say, hey, you know, what's, what's the air quality? okay, and if air quality was moderate, or acceptable, boom, i just turn it on and the default fan speed, maybe medium is on but let's say the air quality is poor well, then when i query it back and says, oh, air quality is poor now i can say, well, you want to turn it on and the air quality is poor i'll turn it on but i'm actually going to turn on and turn the fan to high so you're getting this this feedback loop? it's really, you're getting the user what they asked for, you're getting the state of an iot device you're combining those together? yeah and then the action is just smarter to my mind, this is pretty, i say, sexy and exciting because if you think about this, this is getting into much more intelligence sure the devices know, i know what you asked for, i know the state, i'm going to take the most intelligent action based upon those two inputs and that's what bixby home platform is all about it's really a development tool that lets you build experiences, like what i was just talking about tony morelan 48 59 yeah, i absolutely love that and i loved when he said in the session, that there's they're planning to open this up to partners and also to third party devices yeah, reach is going to be huge roger kibbe 49 10 absolutely well, i mean, i think that's one of the big things with a smartthings ecosystem, right is it's not just for samsung devices, but it's for, you know, devices from dozens or hundreds of manufacturers so if i can read some information on the device, i can get that information and i can do something very logical and just make things work more intelligently isn't that what we all want from our technology? tony morelan 49 32 exactly, yeah so on that note, you know, something i saw also very interesting in that session was the bixby home studio i absolutely love the whole idea of, you know, with your mouse, you can just drag and drop it and build out, you know, these experiences, all without coding yeah, that's on bixby home studio so like that is roger kibbe 49 50 the tooling behind what the experiences that i just talked about, so that you could intuitively built out, i use that air purifier example because actually, if you look at the session, they built out that exact experience and i think except i encourage people to go take a look at that because that is a really good way to kind of understand what i'm talking about, and hopefully get you excited about, huh, wow, there's something cool that i could build as an end user experience tony morelan 50 22 yeah and the demo they gave was pretty in depth i mean, this is not just a you know, they didn't just skim over the, you know, the concept of bixby home studio, they actually went through and built it out yes, it was pretty nice so that was an awesome session but i know there were a bunch of other sessions all kind of related to, you know, smart things in bixby what were some of the other sessions that you would suggest developers to check out? roger kibbe 50 44 yeah, so i would definitely check out the two bixby sessions that we that we mentioned and as you can see, a lot of the focus is on bixby and smart things yeah so if you're a bixby developer, i would suggest you check out some of the spark thing sessions and understand that, because i think a lot of the focus of what we're looking at is, hey, how do we get home controller devices to work super, super well with voice so that and that really is a dance between what bixby is doing and what smartthings is doing, and building that together and that's what the bixby home studio is all about so understand the two sides of the equation and then you'll understand and hopefully can build some really cool tony morelan 51 27 stuff yeah, i love the collaboration that's happening between smartthings and bixby so if developers want to learn more about bixby what's the what's the best way? roger kibbe 51 37 i yeah, so first thing would be go to bixbydevelopers com and that's a homepage for everything bixby that's download the studio, where we have our documentation, and just a bunch of information the other thing is we have a pretty active youtube channel so just look for bixby developers on youtube, youtube slash bixby developers, loads and then pretty much everything we do that's new, or we introduce a new youtube video, we would definitely post that to twitter okay, so that's twitter and that's bixby developers and then i do a weekly like tech tip of the week, like a two-minute video tutorial, and that's posted to twitter as well or also facebook so you can find that on facebook and then finally, i am the host of a podcast yeah, i guess focuses on all things voice not just bixby it is called bixby developers chat you can find it in your favorite podcast player or you should be able to ask your voice assistant hi bixby play bixby developers chat, podcast or another voice assistant and all of them should be able to play it so that is another resource tony morelan 52 45 that's awesome and it's a great podcast i have listened to your to your work you do you do an excellent job from one podcaster to another roger kibbe 52 52 well, thank you that's the kind of compliment you'd like to hear because we all understand the challenges and what you need to do to make a great podcast tony morelan 53 01 guests and let me remind everyone go check out that episode we did it was in the first season with roger, you can learn a bunch more about bixby and how to get started creating voice assisted capsules roger kibbe 53 11 well, thanks, tony really appreciate it and go check out those sdc videos to get a really more in depth understanding of the things we've talked about today tony morelan 53 19 thanks, roger banks one of the biggest announcements we made this past year is our latest watches now run on a new operating system called wear os powered by samsung and joining me on the podcast today is su yong kim, one of the software engineers here at samsung that has worked closely on our new watch ecosystem hey, sam thanks for joining me on the podcast today sooyeon kim 53 38 hi, tony thanks for having me today my name is yan qin and i'm a software engineer at samsung i'm very excited today to briefly recap our sdc sessions on samsung galaxy watch and where it was powered by samsung, which we jointly built with google tony morelan 53 55 yeah so there were several sessions related to the new watch ecosystem in the unified platform what would you say are the benefits of the new wear os powered by samsung? rooyen kim 54 04 so there are many, many benefits but first, we have created a seamless and deeply connected experience across not only samsung galaxy devices, but also for wear smartwatches and android smartphones with this new unified platform, we want to expand our ecosystem bring greater scale to our developer community, and at the same time, delight consumers with a variety of choices from watches to watch faces and apps tony morelan 54 33 yeah, it's true not only this, the developer community going to expand it but also the consumer reach is going to grow even wider can you talk about the growth of the smartwatch market over the past several years? sooyeon kim 54 44 well, the smartwatch market is continuously growing and in fact, according to counterpoint research shipments grew by 35% for the first quarter of 2021 compared to last year and after samsung galaxy watch for launch before august, we once again recognize this explosive growth and will continue to work hard to meet the demands of this growing market tony morelan 55 08 yeah, i agree as smartwatches get smarter than market demand is only going to increase can you tell me what are some of the new and exciting apps available for the new wear os powered by samsung? sooyeon kim 55 19 so users can enjoy familiar samsung apps like samsung pay smartthings and bixby but now google apps are also available like google maps, and youtube music we are also partnering with a wide variety of partners and developers on apps that are available for download from the play store on your watch on your phone there is also a dedicated category for watch apps, so you can easily browse and download them directly to your watch tony morelan 55 46 yeah, i love that youtube music is now available on galaxy watch for many people are buying the watch because they like to track workouts and have an active lifestyle and listening to music has always been a key component to working out can you tell me how is the new samsung galaxy watch for taking advantage of the health and wellness market? sooyeon kim 56 03 so we want to help users keep track of their health status and fitness activities so we brought groundbreaking health features and sophisticated sensors to our new samsung galaxy watch four in selected markets users can check body composition, blood pressure, electrocardiogram skeletal muscle mass based on the tablet grade water, fat percentage, and so on tony morelan 56 26 yeah, it's absolutely amazing that with this little device on your wrist, you can now check things like skeletal muscle mass and fat percentage and can conduct an ekg test can current android developers build watch apps for the new wireless powered by samsung and publish just as they've done before sooyeon kim 56 41 so we aim to make every step of watch app development from ease of bill to market launch as simple as possible with this new unified platform so yes, android developers, you can continue to build your apps within this familiar environment using android studio with watch emulators and existing and new wear os specific api's developers can also deploy and increase exposure for their apps with the watch apps category on the google play store tony morelan 57 11 yeah, so my background is in graphic design and for me, my biggest question was, were we going to build a new tool that would allow designers to create watch faces for the new unified platform? and when they learned the answer was yes, i was really excited so what are some of the new exciting features with the new west powered by samsung watch base design tool, watch face studio, sooyeon kim 57 31 anyone can download, design and publish watch faces for whereas on the play store, you don't have to learn how to code and just need to explore the new design tool watch face studio for more details there is a separate tech talk session on this tony morelan 57 45 yeah, so that session was called introducing the new watch face studio, it was a great overview of the new tool that showed just how easy it is for someone to create a watch face without any coding what are some of the other sessions from sdc21 that watch face developers should check out? sooyeon kim 57 59 oh, first there is the highlight session watch ecosystem or new era where we cover the new samsung galaxy watch ecosystem at a high level then there are tick tock sessions, build your app and the new watch ecosystem is where we specifically talk about watch app development and run through a range of api's by inviting a special guest from google and there is also a session on a new health platform that runs on where was powered by samsung tony morelan 58 27 yeah, there were a lot of great sessions all related to wearables, and lots of new opportunities for developers what is the best way for developers to learn more about the new watch ecosystem? sooyeon kim 58 36 for developers, i encourage visiting the samsung developers and the android developer sites, you can go to developer samsung com/galaxy-watch and also developer android com/where i really appreciate you coming on to the podcast today and giving your insight in to the new watch ecosystem super exciting times thanks tony thanks for inviting me so tony morelan 58 51 i'd like to welcome back to the podcast, eric clung injure, who leads developer relations at samsung eric and i did a pre sdc podcast where we gave a little preview on what to expect it sdc21, and highlights from some of our past developer conferences if you haven't checked out that episode yet, be sure to go back in and give it a listen eric, welcome back to the podcast eric cloninger 59 22 hey, tony, that was a lot of fun you know, we've been doing conferences for years and even though sdc21 was a virtual conference, it was a lot of work and a lot of work by a lot of people at samsung, yourself included and you know, i'd like to really give a shout out to everybody who put in a lot of effort a lot of late nights and all on it so i hope that the people who listened to the keynote and the spotlight session and all the technical sessions got something out of it yeah and hopefully next year, we can do this live yeah, tony morelan 59 54 no, i'm looking forward to that but yes, it was it was a great virtual conference so i've asked eric to join me on this episode to chat about the sdc session that i gave called grow your podcast audience with samsung eric cloninger 1 00 06 earlier this year, samsung made it really easy for device users to listen to podcasts can you share? what is the new podcast platform? tony morelan 1 00 14 yeah, so the new podcast platform, it's super easy to access from your device on the home screen, all you do is swipe left, which is our minus one screen that is samsung free, which is basically free entertainment from samsung all in one place there's four tabs there so there's the watch tab, which is if you wanted to stream tv, there's the read tab, if you want it to read news, there's the play tab, which is playing games and then of course, there is the listen tab, which is all about listening to podcasts eric cloninger 1 00 47 so who can access all of that content with samsung free? yeah, so tony morelan 1 00 50 samsung free is available on all of our latest devices so this is basically the note devices and s series going all the way back to s nine plus all the versions of z fold in z flip right now samsung free is only available in the us but we are expanding to europe soon i've been told that by the end of the year, we will be hitting some european countries eric cloninger 1 01 12 that's great so why did we launch a new podcast service? tony morelan 1 01 15 samsung's podcast strategy is to make it easy for the millions of samsung device users to listen to their favorite podcast shows and discover new episodes quickly and easily and also it gives publishers an impactful way to reach new listeners and really expand their audience eric cloninger 1 01 31 so how do those publishers bring their shows to samsung so grab tony morelan 1 01 34 your url from your podcast rss feed, and you can find that from your podcast hosting provider, take that rss feed in go to samsung podcast com sign up for a free samsung account and all you do is fill out a short form that allows you to import your rss feed url typically, it takes less than five minutes for you to fill out that form and that quickly, your show is now available on all of the samsung free devices eric cloninger 1 02 00 so what samsung free and the podcast platform doing to help publishers get their shows discovered tony morelan 1 02 05 so our editorial team is always looking for new and exciting shows to promote every week, we feature about seven new shows on our homepage and these promotional features have been extremely valuable for publishers in fact, there was one publisher in mind recently, marty ray project chats he saw a 2,000% increase in downloads just after being featured on our homepage so that was really great to see the value in that promotion for him eric cloninger 1 02 29 yeah, that's incredible numbers there so you're the host of our podcast, the samsung developer podcast is that how you got involved with the podcast platform team? tony morelan 1 02 39 exactly they reached out to me when they were first building the service and eventually asked if i would help promote it i said, absolutely that's when they asked me to present an sdc so you can check out my session and learn much more about the new podcast platform eric cloninger 1 02 53 right so the sdc content that is on the website is available for anyone to see at any time so are there any other sessions on the sdc21 website that potential podcasters and developers should check out? tony morelan 1 03 10 yeah, well, i would say what really got me excited was seeing all of the game focus sessions that we had up there so there's one session called galaxy store games focused developer friendly that was a great session on all the new game focused improvements for both gamers and developers and there was another session called games for everyone that samsung instant plays it's another great session for game developers to learn how to bring their html5 games directly to galaxy store, making it easy for users to play games without having to download and install anything eric cloninger 1 03 42 that is an exciting new way for people who are interested in playing casual games to get into something new without having to download hundreds of megabytes of content so i think that's going to be a game changer for all of us yeah, definitely so tony, thank you for giving us some insight on the new podcast platform and also for sitting down with different people associated with sdc21 it was a fantastic virtual conference and it was great to hear about the sessions on one ui, the incubation program smart things in bixby tony morelan 1 04 11 yeah and i also like the interviews that we did on our new watch ecosystem, you know, chatting with dan again on samsung internet that was great and, of course, our new podcast platform i'd like to thank all of my guests today and to you, eric for taking a moment to chat about sdc21 eric cloninger 1 04 27 thank you very much, tony closing 1 04 30 looking to start creating for samsung download the latest tools to code your next app, or get software for designing apps without coding at all sell your apps to the world on the samsung galaxy store check out developer samsung com today and start your journey with samsung tony morelan 1 04 46 the pow! podcast is brought to you by samsung developers and produced us by tony morelan
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docsdc 2019 more than foldables android app for foldables and larger screens nov 7, 2019 android 11 expanding your app beyond the phone august 13, 2020 foldable phones give your app a new surface to run on that may be different than what you’re currently developing and testing for app continuity, different input mediums, and larger displays give room for both challenges and new experiences to be built android 11 screens - large, small and foldable jun 11, 2020 learn about different screen configurations and window features supported by android, explore design challenges with new and existing products, and take a look at some of the latest tools and apis in the platform and jetpack ads 2018 is your app ready for foldable phones? dec 04 2018 as new form factors are being explored, the user experience needs to be completely reimagined in this session, you will learn about a new set of platform-level developer guidelines so that you can develop apps for display configurations of the future
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codelabsdc code lab press the verify with samsung wallet button once you are redirected to the samsung wallet app, press the verify button the samsung wallet app shows a checkmark to indicate that the identity has already been verified while the sample app displays a verification success screen test the verify with samsung wallet button web2app for the web2app integration, you can use the test tool to test the verify with samsung wallet button open a web browser on your computer or galaxy mobile device and go to the following link partner walletsvc samsung com/addtowallettest go to verify with wallet tab and click choose key file to upload your private key in the select card dropdown menu, select the card you created to display its details navigate to the form tab and modify the data as desired you can change the logo image or provider name press the verify with samsung wallet button once you are redirected to samsung wallet, press the verify button the samsung wallet app shows a checkmark to indicate that the identity has already been verified go back to the test tool, open the mdoc tab, and click the check result button it displays a result success popup when the verification process is successful tokenize card data and implement the verify with wallet button to your service optional notethis step is optional, but if you want to learn how to integrate the verify with wallet button into your services like an android app, web app, or email, you can follow these steps the samsung wallet partners site provides generated verify with samsung wallet scripts for each wallet card you create you can simply copy and paste these scripts into your partner apps web and android or include them in emails/mms messages to implement the verify with wallet button, follow these steps go to the [verify with wallet script guide] section of the card you created click show to view the available scripts and then copy the appropriate script for your service develop a program that can generate tokenized card data cdata the cdata represents the actual content of the wallet card and comes in different formats depending on the card type you can check the cdata generation sample code for reference the cdata is derived from the card data, which is in json format for testing purposes, you can utilize the generated json from the test tool follow the implementing button guide to determine where to incorporate the generated cdata and gain further insights into this process you are redirected back to your app and your identity is verified you're done! congratulations! you have successfully accomplished the topic of this code lab now, you are ready to verify your id with the verify with samsung wallet button into your application on your own! if you're having trouble, you may download this file verify with wallet complete code for app2app integration 802 5 kb to learn more about samsung wallet, visit developer samsung com/wallet
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docsdc 2019, at the san jose convention center and we recognize 25 developers and designers from around the world and 21 of those winners were in attendance, which was great to see and he showed us how important this recognition is from samsung tony morelan 03 14 yeah, i was actually the host of the award show last year in san jose and that was my highlight was actually meeting these developers for the first time, you know, we've been communicating with them, you know, throughout the year, but to actually meet them face to face, and to see how rewarding it was for them to receive this award that was definitely an amazing moment charlotte allen 03 34 yeah, i agree it was also, i think, rewarding and inspiring for us to see, you know, their excitement and just how much effort they put into getting their work yeah, definitely let's talk about some of these past recipients but where's the best way for people to learn, like who won in 2018, who won in 2019 so we have a great list of winners now, having done this for two years and going into our third so a list with our past winners can be found on samsung's developer program site on the best of galaxy store landing page, and it features over 30 step galaxy store award winners and that is tony morelan 04 12 developer samsung com and if you go there, you can navigate over to the to the galaxy award page yes, charlotte allen 04 19 yes, you can tony morelan 04 21 so having done this now for several years, i'm sure you've got a highlight tell me you know if you have a special story about maybe a past winner, charlotte allen 04 28 yeah, there are several that come to mind but one that i'll share is we awarded bergen for best new watch face designer, and his award was picked up by the uruguay embassy who tweeted a congratulations to bergen and i thought that was really amazing tony morelan 04 44 that is and bergen is honestly an amazing designer ton of success he was the designer when i was first looking into starting myself selling watch faces i was seeing his work and i thought my god this guy is putting out you know; insanely creative watch faces and my goal was to try and you know, do something at his level i mean, he just amazing detail amazing depth, amazing features so when i was starting out, he was the one that i looked up to trying to emulate, you know, his success so great to see that he was awarded that year charlotte allen 05 20 wow, pretty, pretty amazing tony morelan 05 22 so who qualifies for you know, potentially winning a best of galaxy store award? charlotte allen 05 27 all galaxy store publishers qualify for bigger well-known brands to indie developers, designers, they all qualify tony morelan 05 33 that's, that's, that's great they'd love to see how open samsung is that? you know, it's not just a developer that is a big brand name but you know, we'd like to recognize even the small person, the indie developer, who is absolutely, you know, maybe doesn't have all of that experience, but it's still putting out great content so i thought it would be exciting if we actually brought somebody from the galaxy store team onto our podcast today so i would like to welcome hyunah kwon hi, hyunah hi, tony hi, charlotte thanks for inviting me so you are director of product galaxy store and games? can you tell me how long have you been in that role? hyunah kwon 06 13 i've been in this role since this year to work for galaxy store and games i've been in samsung for about 13 years, starting with my experience in mobile devices in different product management in this domain of mobile and we're very excited to expand to service businesses in samsung, and i'm in charge of galaxy store app as well as gaming ecosystem tony morelan 06 42 in samsung i had no idea you actually had been at samsung for that long can you tell us what is new with the galaxy store? hyunah kwon 06 48 yes, this year has been a full of exciting news and updates and changes with the galaxy store, we just launched a new version introducing an enhanced game discovery experience as you know, samsung has been fully committed to offer an excellent mobile gaming experience with our hardware it could be like this stunning screen experiences long battery and very powerful performance on a mobile gaming and now galaxy, gamers can actually visit the galaxy store to discover new games and they can view these stunning videos to learn more about the new games, they can pre-register for the upcoming seasons of their favorite games, and so forth for that we can also share more details and we also had interesting gear for all types of apps and content we've been seeing a growing consumption of digital contents in the context of endemic as you know so on the other hand, some people say that they're having a digital fatigue, if you will, caused by these exceptional circumstances so we worked on simplifying this experience and make the downloading experience really quick and easy for our consumers, helping users to find the content they need with the better fit recommendations, as well as our editors recommendations for them as well and we also refreshed our design with a clean and harmonious look for example, now you will see it very reduced banner sizes here and there, we ensure that pleasant browsing experience and downloading and the best part is the exclusive benefits that our consumers love about galaxy store so we offer new promotions events almost every week for example, in the us market remember, we integrated samsung rewards last year so that users could spam their points against their purchase in our store earlier this year since july, we launched an always on points earning program so now users can earn three points for every dollar spent with whether you purchase an app or a theme or enough items in your game app so the more they enjoy galaxy store, and the more they can get rewarded tony morelan 09 09 know that is specifically for us customers, correct? hyunah kwon 09 14 yes, so many other countries could have some different programs but this is in the us that sounds amazing tony morelan 09 21 so i thought it was interesting you said that because of the pandemic because of covid that you've actually seen an increase in people using their apps, and then they're starting to get the fatigue with it is that that's correct hyunah kwon 09 33 yes so the pandemic has been overwhelming for everyone, for sure but it also was a great opportunity for some in many app developers so we could see gaming industry, for example, has been really booming utilizing this opportunity and media, the chance watching videos, or checking on news and healthcare app that user can you know, i actually spend a lot more time on the at home so things like health care at home improvement apps has been actually pretty popular too and overall, we had really great and busy year, we'll collaborate with our developers this year to help them really growing tony morelan 10 18 yeah, that's, that's great to see that, you know, even though this is, you know, an unfortunate thing that our world is going through with a pandemic, that you found ways to help people out more, you know, considering that they are having to better devices and access this information so you had mentioned also that you're involved with the gaming aspect of it can you tell me, are there any new features for gamers? hyunah kwon 10 38 yes, so we have simply fire up in two parts one is the gaming another part is the access all the collection of the contents that we provide for galaxy users so in that game tab, you will see an immersive the game discovery area if you think about gaming in general has been developing, you now see a games that are very spectacular, they have a story in it, you can interact multiple players all together, you can create a history or you can, you know, be really in a deeper side of your action all of that is pretty similar in movie industry, if you think about it so when you watch a movie, you generally check a minute the trailer just to make sure you are watching a good movie, it's the same for games, we're providing our gamers the ability to discover what this game is about, and how they would play the download this game another party's our game introduction page, what we call the detail page of the app has been recolored refreshed, so that they can actually see some very valid information about the games, we are providing a tag information, it can be something like this game is about a multiplayer game it's a strategy rpg, or if it's casual gaming, or this game is featuring a medieval setting, with all kinds of information like that we are including more than 300 pack information, so that you can really see what these game is characterized for also some real time stats-based information, like you can see all these games, some are very popular, there's 10,000 users downloading this game at the moment right now, or it can be you know, 300 people are actually playing this particular game and i think it's very important to highlight the personalized information is very key for our success as we mentioned earlier, this is very important for any user to enjoy their experience not spending too much time making their efforts, there's this fatigue about finding the right apps for me, etc so we also use a lot of user database recommendation that they can find the relevant game for them and lastly, our galaxy store has been very appreciated by our speed to download and installation so our consumers really love about our quick download feature, we actually feature this little button that you can directly install and download from what you're previewing from, you don't need to go through the detail page and click another time to download we're just giving them a direct access to download so we call we call that a quick download as well tony morelan 13 37 that's great i know that that is a feature that i would definitely appreciate so for developers that have joined the samsung developer program, how can members grow their user base in their revenue hyunah kwon 13 52 share our strategy is to empower our developer partners by enhancing our platform that support them so obviously, there's many ways to grow their apps and their performance there are many resources available, so publishers on the galaxy store to support their success and one thing that i'd like to highlight is these days, in particular, the app discovery is really diversifying so customers are learning about their new app that anymore in their app store like we did 10 years ago and they're actually learning from their friends and social media, a lot many different channels so the optimization of the contents inside our store is still being very important but managing growth from multi-channel approach becomes even more important galaxy store is having our batch feature galaxies or batches that drive customers from their multiple channel of discovery to galaxy store pages in a single click and that improves a conversion by optimizing your discovery channel as well as all the listing information, you're providing a nice detail page and we are going to provide more and more resources for you to optimize that listing information and grow the app developers revenues to help our developers succeed in their acquisition campaigns with the galaxy store or optimizing their customer journey from discovery to download we are also working with the leading mobile measurement partners so that developers can measure their campaign performance and to end with the accurate data and generally, what we would recommend as tactics for growth will be things like, you know, generating more traffic and top of the funnel traffic, and from there, how to optimize their download conversion and, as you know, download is not the end, most partners are frustrated, i get so many downloads, what i'm not where why am i not growing from there? i think we also can help on our developers to manage their paid conversion and retention, because retention also is a key for your success and growth and i would always advise people to lean into the customer lifetime value, rather than focusing on the download number itself tony morelan 16 21 can you tell me how developers can learn how to maximize their growth with the with the galaxy store? hyunah kwon 16 26 yes, sure so as i mentioned before, there's lots of packets of growth available so in terms of generating traffic, you can rely on us campaigns, it can be digital campaign, it can be social media campaigns, and we're going to be supportive on all your campaign executions if you need a specific resource to optimize your campaign, please reach out to our team as well, as very importantly, users are browsing from their search engine so obviously, the search engine optimization techniques, or search engine-based advertising, all this traffic and also come into our store and we can optimize that flow for your growth as well in terms of download conversion, which is happening within our app, we are continuously improving our detail page optimization tools, as well as we would encourage our developers to manage their own reviews of their apps so we are providing the way that the developers can prompt their reviews, and allowing their users to write the positive reviews about their apps so that we can also optimize our conversion that way, so that way, we are continuously updating our product and we believe it's important to provide our updated information on what developers can do with us so we are planning to provide all this further information through block past webinars and dedicated resources and now developer portal as soon as our new features on our platform is available so i would encourage all developers to visit our developer@samsung com and stay tuned for more updates and you can also sign up for our newsletter so that you can get this information available from galaxies tony morelan 18 25 yeah, in the in the link to sign up for the newsletter is developer samsung com/newsletter and i'll be sure to include all of these links that you've mentioned in the in the show notes so hyunah, i absolutely appreciate you taking the time to join me on the podcast today love seeing how the galaxy store is evolving and super excited with what's coming up in the near future so thanks again for joining us hyunah kwon 18 49 thanks, tony for inviting me to the podcast it was a pleasure tony morelan 18 54 so charlotte, getting back to the awards for this year i know that the pandemic obviously has affected everybody in in many different ways can you tell us how it's actually impacting the award show for this year? charlotte allen 19 07 it is in fact in many in person events this year as we know, including our best of galaxy store awards 2020 award ceremony, which is typically held at sdc our developer conference, this year's best of galaxy store awards 2020 ceremony will be held virtually, and premiered on youtube on december 9 2020 at 5pm pacific standard time so stay tuned to the best galaxy store awards page if you're not a member of our samsung developer program or bixby developers, now is a great time to register to get all the updates and features i just shared tony morelan 19 44 excellent so i know in the past, in order to attend the award show you had to attend our conference, which meant you had to come out to the bay area here and admission into the conference this year though, is that going to be different charlotte allen 19 55 the exciting thing for me is this year for the first time anyone can and attend and like you shared, the awards are typically held at our conference and even then, sometimes sessions conflict with our award ceremony but this year, anyone can attend and so we're really looking forward to having a great crowd attend this year's awards tony morelan 20 15 yeah, no, i am excited too, as well we talked about how the award show has been growing from originally, it was just the five awards and now we've expanded we're up over 20 awards can you talk about some of the new categories for this year? charlotte allen 20 28 yes, this year's awards will acknowledge over 20 winners in five categories and the categories include best app, this game best the best watch, and we've added bixby to this year's best of galaxy store awards and we're really excited about that tony morelan 20 44 yeah earlier this year, i did a podcast interview with roger kibbe, at bixby on the viv lab team so super excited they're going to be joining us and in awarding their developers yeah, that is very exciting talking about the winners can you tell me how are winners selected? charlotte allen 21 01 winners are selected by our galaxy store team who do a yearly editorial review of all apps published to the galaxy store? tony morelan 21 09 what would you say is the biggest challenge with the with the award selection? charlotte allen 21 14 i would say narrowing down the list of winners the galaxy store offers expertly curated quality apps, which means we have a lot of great apps on the galaxy store tony morelan 21 24 yeah, i know because i've been involved with the with the selection and awarding process and it is a challenge because you know, we've got a team that goes through all this and it makes their nominations and, and their selection as to who they think should win and sometimes you know what your favorite app may be different than my favorite app so we get to battle it out yeah, to figure out who is the winner for that award? yes so what is it that the samsung developer program team is doing to help promote the winners, charlotte allen 21 54 winners are featured in galaxy store merchandising for the award ceremony, we have a best of galaxy store press release that samsung does one winner per category is chosen to be featured in that press release however, winners can write a press release with a quote from samsung as well we do post winner developer marketing newsletters, blogs, and podcasts interviews tony morelan 22 16 yeah, i'm actually really looking forward to next season in the podcast where i get a chance to interview some of some of these winners for the best of awards that should be a lot of fun now that you and i and our team has been involved with a selection process for the awards can you tell me what is your favorite award? charlotte allen 22 36 hmm, that's a tough one i would say if i had to choose, i would say that collections, the theme collections and the watch collections because it shows a body of amazing work right and so i think that if i had to choose, i would say that be my favorite what about you? tony morelan 22 55 you know, my favorite, i think it's the fact that we do recognize those indie developers so it's the small, you know, new independent designer, that's they've just put together this amazing app and we're recognizing that so you don't have to be this big brand, you don't have to have, you know, a large collection, i love the fact that we are awarding those large collections, because it's an amazing, you know, opportunity for us to recognize when a designer has just got this amazing library of work but i'd love the fact that we also recognize that individual, one key design that just stands out so you know, you can even be the little developer and we're still going to find yeah, and then recognize you for your great work so what advice do you have for developers hoping to be considered for future awards? charlotte allen 23 45 the biggest advice i can share is marketing your work digitally socially, as it drives awareness, it drives, downloads, ratings, and reviews and if you have not already done so, download the galaxy batch, it supports marketing your ad driving users to the galaxy store to download or purchase your app so my biggest advice is, if you have not posted it to your site, i encourage you to do it today tony morelan 24 12 yeah, definitely and in the reason being is that we need you to show up on our radar so if you put out a great app, and it's not showing up in our in our analytics of you know, top selling apps or apps that are being downloaded, we're not going to find it so it's a great way for us to find your app is when you're doing all of that marketing push behind it, then once we see it, then we can dive into a little deeper and see if it's worthy of the award but yeah, you definitely have to get traction on your app from a social standpoint, that's a huge way for us to discover your apps so what's the best way for people to learn more about the best of galaxy store awards charlotte allen 24 54 we have a galaxy store landing page on our samsung developer program site and there, you'll find details about the program updates on the best of galaxy store awards 2020 and highlights from past year's awards, including winner interviews yeah tony morelan 25 09 and as a reminder, that is developer samsung com and from there, you can navigate over to the galaxy store awards page, all the links that we were mentioning, and the podcast will be included in the show notes so you can check there can you tell me, are there any upcoming news that you can share that's related to the award show? charlotte allen 25 29 we have some upcoming blogs, we're going to take a look back at some of last year's winners, highlight some of their successes, and really begin promoting the best of galaxy store awards 2020 as we get near to the virtual award ceremony, and we really can't wait tony morelan 25 47 yeah, and one thing i'd like to share is that we are working on a trailer a little teaser for the award show the trailer will be released exactly 30 days before the award show so on november 9, we will be releasing our little teaser trailer for the award show so be sure to stay tuned for that so charlotte, thank you very much for joining me on the podcast today and sharing all of the information about the award show really appreciate you coming on the podcast charlotte allen 26 16 thanks it's great to be back again tony morelan 26 18 and just to sign off, this is our final episode of season one of the podcast i hope you all have enjoyed not just this episode, but the prior 13 episodes that we did that make up season one of the power podcast we look forward to having you join us next year we're going to start the new year off with season two and we are really excited with the shows that were lining up and you definitely will be hearing from some of the winners of our best of galaxy store awards for 2020 so thank you very much outro 26 51 looking to start creating for samsung, download the latest tools to code your next app, or get software for designing apps without coding at all sell your apps to the world on the samsung galaxy store check out developer samsung com today and start your journey with samsung the pow! podcast is brought to you by the samsung developer program and produced by tony morelan
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docsdc19 best of galaxy store awards transcript note transcripts are provided by an automated service and reviewed by the samsung developers web team inaccuracies from the transcription process do occur, so please refer to the audio if you are in doubt about the transcript tony morelan 00 01 hey, i'm tony morelan and this is pow!, the samsung developers podcast where we chat with innovators using samsung technologies, award winning app developers and designers, as well as insiders working on the latest samsung tools welcome to season two, episode one on today's show, i interviewed drazen stojcic, the super successful watch face designer behind the brand, urarity, drazen is the 2020 best of galaxy store award winner for best watch face collection not only do we talk about his rise to becoming one of the top watch face sellers on galaxy store, but also this fascinating career path and it all started when he became an award-winning author after writing his first novel at the age of 16 enjoy tony morelan 00 48 so i have to start by saying i am extremely excited to kick off the new season of the podcast with one of my absolute favorite designers drazen from urarity drazen stojcic 01 01 hi hi, tony thank you for having me tony morelan 01 04 yeah, excellent i'm so excited to have you on the show let me first start by asking who is drazen stojcic? drazen stojcic 01 13 so well, i guess i could say the basics you know, i'm 38 years old i'm from europe, from croatia, and married and i've spent last four years designing watch faces for samsung devices and after a lifelong career in all sorts of media related stuff, i found myself in something that i really enjoy doing and it turned out i was pretty good at it and so now four years later, i'm i've received the award for the best watch face collection and is it's been like, you know, a crown after all that hard work and, and time and effort put into it tony morelan 02 07 so you're saying that if you started about four years ago, doing watch faces, that means you pretty much started at the beginning of this whole opportunity for designers to create watch faces for samsung so tell me like, how did you first learn about samsung wearables and, and then ultimately designing drazen stojcic 02 23 so i think it's a similar story with most early developers, you know, we are all a bit of gadget freaks and so i've had samsung, the very first samsung smartwatch was because i had a samsung phone as well and so when samsung made their first wearable, i was like all over it, you can customize it, you can do anything, it was just a device that could like measure your heart rate and stare at some very basic stuff, and had a camera on it correct and it had a camera on the wrist yes and you know, at that time, my whole life was around photography and so having, you know, a camera and a wristband that was like, awesome, you know, i just, i loved it and so when the new versions came out, obviously i was, i was upgrading and at some point, a friend of mine, who was my work colleague, actually mentioned, you know, you're pretty good at design and you all you have all this previous experience with i had some experience with designing mobile apps, for like 15 years ago, for before even android existed, you know, it was like, the very first touchscreen phones that showed up and i teamed up with a with a programmer, and we made a mobile keyboard and so i was doing the graphics and the design, and he was programming and so he knew all this because we talked about it and he said, you know, you have to watch you have the knowledge, why don't you try, you know, there's this cool software where you can just you don't need to know programming because i'm not a programmer and there's this cool software, you can download it and you can like make your own designs for your watch and so i downloaded the galaxy watch designer, and now it's a galaxy watch studio so and i loved it i loved it i within a week i had like, watch face ready, and i want to publish it yes it just started from that just you know, pure luck tony morelan 04 51 yeah, that's very similar to how i got my start i mean that you know, i attended this event at samsung where they you know, told everybody about gear watch designer yeah and came home that night and was so excited to be able to, in a sense, do programming without any coding so i could use all my graphic design skills, but yet create this, you know, interactive watch phase i mean, it's just, yeah, i bought in real quickly to it so i know that you've had quite the journey to get to the point where you are now as a watch face, designers doing lots of different, you know, jobs, but all within the same sort of family of everything related around media well, yeah so tell me how you got your start indesign drazen stojcic 05 37 so i guess i've always liked you know, even as a kid, i had like, these artistic tendencies so i would like draw a lot and i would paint and i would write and do all sorts of stuff, you know and so my first experiences were basically with computers, you know, and those were computers where you didn't even have an os on them i come from croatia, which went through an armed conflict war in the 90s and i was just a kid at that time, but after the war, my elementary school, got to the nation in, in computers, so none of the teachers had any experience with that and us kids obviously, never even seen a computer at that point and so i think it was like a un donation or some sort of a charity program and so yeah, and so they set up a classroom for us, that was like 15, or 20 of computers, and a teacher from arts and crafts was assigned to do something useful with those computers and he was an older gentleman who didn't know english, who didn't know it was just the oh, you figured this out and so he asked kids in the school, it was anybody interested and i always was fascinated by technology i think it was like four kids from the whole school that signed up for this that was like, first contact with, with computers and everything i did later on was, in some sense connected to it you know, i when i got my first home computer, i was just like, drawing stuff, all the all the time, i was just like learning software, sketching, stuff, making, i don't know, school, newspapers, stuff like that, you know, everything was, you know, one thing and then the next thing and so, after high school, i was into music at that time and so i ended up being on local radio station yeah and so because the station was part of like, a network that had newspaper and radio and, and a tv station, i spent next couple of years moving from one to the next and so i moved from the radio where i worked as a as a dj and tony morelan 08 07 so a dj, spinning music i mean, yeah, drazen stojcic 08 10 yeah that's great yeah, i actually really did some, like, nightclubs stuff so i would work during the day on the radio station and at night, i will be working like cocktail bars and really, tony morelan 08 22 dj drazen drazen stojcic 08 26 yeah, and so and, you know, this is all time before internet so there's no internet at this point and so obviously, being in a radio station gets you new music, and then you can, you know, use that music to put on parties and so, yeah, so it's like, using one job to make money on the side and so, and then i moved to the newspapers where i worked as a as a journalist, because i always enjoyed writing tony morelan 08 58 and i think i heard that you actually received an award when you were much younger for you you actually wrote, yeah, drazen stojcic 09 07 yeah, i wrote a novel when i was 16, actually and i, when i was 17, i got two major prizes for best first novel in croatia that's great from like, really a respected, you know, people in croatia who are basically in our top of the crops and so that was also a push that led me into journalism eventually, right and, and during my journalist days, i had a situation where we were a photographer that was supposed to cover an event with me, he couldn't make it and there was no one else and because at that time, people from my newspapers already knew that i was like into computers, and i have a like, always chasing something and so my editor said, you know, we just got these funny new digital cameras, maybe you could pick one up and just take two shots, it'll be fine for the print, you know, just try to keep people in frame, you know, it was and so that was my first experience with digital photography and i was instantly in love with that and so, actually, that day, i would always ask that i take my own shots and basically, i would, i would take photos of what i'm supposed to do, and i wouldn't, then i would spend the rest of the day shooting like, anything i could find and i would, i would intentionally only leave some of the photos that i thought were good i would leave them on the cart for photo editors so they can see that tony morelan 10 55 they can see your work that's great yeah, drazen stojcic 10 56 exactly and so after a while, i got a call from the from the photography editor and it was all like this transitional period where they were moving away from film and classic film cameras into digital yes and so he said, you know, are you? are you leaving these photos on the cards? because i kind of liked them? and i said, yeah, well, you know, i liked this thing you know, this digital photography seems to suit me and within a month, i wasn't working as a journalist anymore i just really, yeah, i just moved on to photography overnight wow and so my photography work, then, you know, i learned a lot of stuff from the, from the more experienced photographers there but i was also able to get on this train really early of, of this digital photography that was just coming in a lot of older photographers had a problem with this, they couldn't adapt so well so, so quickly, you know, it required working with software and all of that stuff that i basically was used to and so a few years later, i, i partnered up with a very senior and well-respected photographer here in my town and he had a big production company that was basically multimedia we had like a video cruise, we had cgi designers, we had sound crews, we had, you know, full multimedia production along with design and so i did basically the same thing i did before i did here so i would move from one to next position and i just kind of learned along the way, too, i have no formal education in either of these things yeah so it's all just learning from other people and learning on your own trying to, you know, get something new, i had a desire to express myself and so it was always something media related, and now share all of these things from the past and especially i don't know, there's a lot of, in my past a lot of work with marketing so working with marketing companies with like, production teams, and you'll learn what clients want, how they think how all of this kind of came together and lead into, into urarity tony morelan 13 34 yes, yeah, that's, that's, it's amazing i mean, i have to say, i'm extremely surprised to hear that you say that you don't have formal training yeah, but hearing about the experiences, all of the years, and all these different areas that you've, you know, had an opportunity to work in, it really shows because i think that's where you urarity stands out from many of the other watch face developers, it's all of the other assets that are required to be successful you know, when you see your videos in your photography, you can tell that someone with excellent expertise is putting this together, because it's not just a computer rendition or a 3d model that's rotating i mean, you actually are taking a camera on a dolly and doing rotation with it and to me, that's what really stands out because that's pretty unique to see from a from a developer, you know, marketing on samsung platform it gives it such a realness, you know, where you actually see the product and it gives confidence when you're thinking about it, should i make a purchase? so i think that is probably one of the biggest factors for your success when i see the work that you do i agree and that's basically the whole logic i started doing this right from the beginning because drazen stojcic 14 51 i kind of knew that it wasn't enough to make just the watch face itself look good so everything else to look at the same level, yeah, so, and obviously over the couple of last years i've, i've, i've advanced further and my, my designs have become better and my marketing materials as well but the core idea is still the same, you know, if you make, you can make the best watch face ever yeah, but if your presentations is not good, it's just the customers won't get it tony morelan 15 30 exactly so i understand that you've already is not just draws in that you actually have partnered with someone who has expertise in, in these areas of like social media and marketing and whatnot, that's helping you so tell me a little bit about the other person that is involved with, with the urarity success drazen stojcic 15 51 so at first, it was just me and you know, for probably first two years, i did all of this stuff on my own but then, as i advanced and as i got more and more customers and more and more of this production behind this, i realized that i needed help and my brothers do dumb, ugly he just came fresh out of college that had marketing as one of the major classes in it and so he knew about my watch faces, and he would frequently helped me he and i came up with the name the urarity tony morelan 16 35 yeah, so tell me that tell me the history that you came up with that name drazen stojcic 16 38 yeah so because my brother has this knack, for, for coming up with funny names for stuff and so we would frequently do that for like, all sorts of statements will make up names for the products or for name for names for companies or find, you know, funny word plays and stuff like that, when i figured out that i needed the brand, and i couldn't just, you know, be just me, it needed a brand name and so we're just talking about this and so a lot of people think that your urarity is basically you and urarity, which it is but the main idea behind it is basically because the first four letters of the word urarity actually mean watchmaker in creation tony morelan 17 29 that is great drazen stojcic 17 31 yeah, so we started from that, you know, it was like, because even today, you could see like these shops around the town that had like this art so it was just, you know, we're just making fun and your charity just popped up somewhere, because i knew it would work well in english although it is a bit of a tongue twister i still liked how it sounded and how it looked and i like this double meaning because it worked in, in our language as well and so he and i came up with this name and then over time, he just kind of started helping me more and more and at some point, i said, okay, now, i think you could probably handle a lot of this stuff better than me, because you actually do have an education process and so my brother has been helping me ever since he's basically the whole marketing and customer support and all of that is his work so i'm purely doing the creative stuff tony morelan 18 39 that's great that's great yeah, it gives you an opportunity to really focus on your expertise and, and allow him to focus on his expertise so is your urarity, pretty much your full-time job drazen stojcic 18 51 yeah, it has become over time for a long period i also did a lot of side jobs, but the pandemic changed a lot of that because this is a job that you can do from the comfort and safety of your home yes, and my side jobs that were mostly photography related basically, there weren't there anymore when all of this started and so for me, it was like the perfect the perfect job to do during these times where you had to stay at home a lot either i've actually used the opportunity to do a lot of the stuff that i would previously maybe put off so i did a lot of housekeeping you know in the store, cleaned up the descriptions and all that stuff that usually just you know, you don't have enough time to do all of that and i kind of fine tune to everything that we did so for us it's been a positive effect in that sense tony morelan 20 00 yeah, no, that's, that's, that's great i mean, there has been a lot of challenges during this past year for many people on all different areas, i will say you are not the first person who has said that, you know, this opportunity that samsung has provided to developers, you know, really the, you know, indie designers like yourself, you can still continue to work from your job where it is safe so that's, that's great absolutely and i mean, even before this, having the opportunity to work from home has been quite a refreshing change for me, because a lot of the work i did before, involved, a lot of traveling a lot of staying out of home, which is, you know, it's great fun for a drazen stojcic 20 42 while but then as you get older and you need, you get a wife and a house and all of a dog and all of that, of course, you prefer staying at home, it's not as a lot of people are thinking i don't want to stay at home no, i'm fine i'm not complaining tony morelan 21 05 so yeah, back when we were allowed to travel, that's actually when i first met you, because you came out to san jose and attended our conference sdc 19 so it was great to actually meet you in person, i was very aware of your work prior to that so when i actually got to put a face to the to the brand, you were already that was a great moment for me, i was honored to meet you so tell me about that what was that experience like for you to come out to san jose and get to actually see the samsung people in person and also be at the conference? drazen stojcic 21 35 i think it was probably the biggest milestone for me, it changed so much in terms of perspective of what this whole thing is about because up until that point, i would have contacts with people from samsung and from other developers as well and i still do, but you know, actually deciding to get on a plane and fly on to another side of the world, and then be a part of this great event and the whole buzz and all of these people from all over the world, it was just eye opening for me because as many developers or better to say designers in in galaxy store i don't have a lot of experience with these tech conferences and so, you know, coming to san jose meeting people from samsung meeting, meeting other developers having a talk with them, and just exchanging, you know, opinions and ideas and i loved it that that's it you know, i wanted to do this for real now yeah, i think that was the point where it shifted in my head that, okay, this is serious stuff and there's a great support from samsung, which it always was there but just putting a face to the name of all these various contexts they had, it just made all the difference tony morelan 23 02 and i have to say one of the highlights for me was sitting in a room with who i thought were the rock stars of the designers i mean, here i was, you know, chatting with you and next year was matteo dini and then bergen, tomas from vienna studios and i'm like, oh, my gosh, man these are the designers that are just making incredible watch faces on the store and we're all in this one room together, just you know, having great conversations so it was wonderful to be able to meet face to face with many of these top designers drazen stojcic 23 36 absolutely and i especially enjoyed talking with you i think it was one of the best conversations i had there just i think we clicked really early on and definitely you have two perspectives on the on the whole thing, you're started as a designer, and now you're in samsung, so you can kind of relate better to the stuff that we're talking about tony morelan 24 00 exactly yeah, that was one of the main reasons why i took the position and i think one of the main reasons i got the job was that samsung really wanted to have someone with that voice internally so that i could be the liaison between taking the suggestions and the challenges that the designers have and trying to give a route to solving some of those issues and making the platform even better exactly unfortunately this year, we couldn't have the conference because of the pandemic as many people know we did an online award show and i was absolutely honored to be a part of the team that awarded you the best watch face collection and you know without a doubt, your collection just is amazing you know i still i look at the animated watch faces you do i see the videos that you put behind your watch faces as far as the project goes, and you are clearly deserving of this top honor so tell me, how did you first learn that you were winning this award from samsung? drazen stojcic 25 10 okay, so first of all, it was really an awesome thing you know, i was just blown away by the fact that i got the award i never, i never really expected it, when i started making watch faces that will end up in me getting some sort of an award for this or making all of this success that that has happened in the past years, actually, that how i found out was because i got this strange email that said, you know, just to notice that there will be an online event at this time and date and let's stay in touch i mentioned this to matteo dini, you know, did you see there's going to be an online event? and, you know, he said, i didn't get any email about this she was the winner last year, she said to me, oh, wait, i know what this is you probably won an award so i basically found out about this from a matteo tony morelan 26 18 that's funny that's funny i want to kind of go back a little bit and let's talk about your actual workflow when it comes to designing watch faces what is the first thing you do? are you grabbing a pencil and a piece of paper and starting to sketch? do you just dive right into the computer? drazen stojcic 26 34 i think it really depends sometimes i will just get an idea from a totally random spot like one of my most successful watch faces, the inspiration for it came from the blue glow around an elevator button that i just liked tony morelan 26 55 and which watch face says that drazen stojcic 26 57 it was the pulse series yes, yeah and so i was in this elevator and he was like some hotel and then there was this button that was beautifully glowing, like pulsating blue and i was just looking at it and i loved it and so i wanted to use that glow and have the similar effect on a watch that i came home and i started i started up after effects and i made this blue ring that was glowing, but it just wasn't working, you know and so i started playing with motion and then i figured out that it'd be cool if it looked like it was coming out of the screen like it was slowly moving out to the edges and so i had this thing, and there were no watch hands, no numbers, and nothing else, just this pulsing thing and i loved it tony morelan 27 52 so you've created this glowing, really cool animation what's the next step? i mean, you've got to be able to turn this into a watch face so are you just playing around with different shapes to create the you know the form? drazen stojcic 28 05 because most of our watch faces are animated, i would do the animations and then i would just grab one on screen from the animation series and then i would start like playing in in just pure to the trying to figure out what can i do? where could i put some of this simple code stuff going to work one with another? where are the watch hands going to be? is this going to be a digital watch face? or an analog watch face? is it going to have like a lot of info or not a lot of info and so it's going back and forth so i would sometimes start with an animation and then edit it 15 times over until everything fits one within another and it's just it's really a tedious process once you start complicating things with animations and animations do complicate things is immensely you know, i sometimes envy designers that can make really awesome watch faces they're not animated, because i don't know how to do that so anyway, that's funny yeah, yeah and it's also funny when they tell me oh, you can make all these awesome animations and i'm thinking yeah, but you don't have to make them and you still make us and watch faces tony morelan 29 26 at that point, are you using illustrator or photoshop? drazen stojcic 29 29 yeah, i use a lot of software so i will use basically the whole adobe package so everything from, you know, premiere photoshop, illustrator, and i also use 3d software like cinema 4d or even sketchup for some of this stuff you know, if i just want to make a quick idea to see how it works it's just a whole bunch of stuff you know? various software's that i'm used to, from before, you know, there used to from my previous work so it's not like one thing, you know, i'm sure people could do just fine using probably one serious graphics software but because of the animations, it's just not enough you need to have like all this other stuff, too tony morelan 30 20 of course, just to mention, we both are very familiar with tomas just checked from vienna studios, still astounds me and if you haven't listened to this podcast, go back and listen to it i'll let you in on a little secret tomas uses powerpoint to create his design so when i hear you talk about, you know, all the complexity of creating these animations, and you know, truthfully, you know, you have to become somewhat of a pro with photoshop and illustrator really to leverage all the tools in there yeah, to hear that tomas uses powerpoint, i know that you were surprised as i was drazen stojcic 30 51 i was blown away i met tim us for the first time at sdc and, and we had a really nice time talking and so naturally, we came to the, to this talk about software, and you know, and he said, you're never going to guess what i'm using to make my watch faces i was thinking, maybe he's using like, i don't know, some game or something like that some of that free graphics software or something more simple and so when he said, powerpoint, it blew me away because and this is what i was talking about so there are developers, they can make really awesome successful watch faces with software that wasn't even intended for this year and, and they can have great success yeah, so it's, it's just so awesome and i have huge respect for what he does and, and i totally recommend also listening to that podcast it was so cool tony morelan 31 53 i will say one thing that you guys have in common would be the photography after you've created the watch face so just like yourself, tomas is doing real video recording of his watch faces you can see his gloved hands come on to screen and do all the tapping interaction on his face so again, it's extremely important to find your unique way to showcase your work and both you and in tomas have done that drazen stojcic 32 23 yeah, yeah tomas especially with in because he, he is a he makes premium, like high end premium watch faces that are basically like for, for general public and so him using the gloves and having all these nice backdrops and everything it just sort of fits within the brand and with the whole identity and everything that he does and so i when i start making videos, and i started right from the get go, because i realized that people needed to see this thing in action because it was animated i also wanted to set up like some of the basic standards, how i'm going to do this, what's going to be the approach and so most of my videos are like have colorful lighting, and a lot of motion they're always in motion i don't make static videos because that's also something i wanted to emphasize the animations give a lot of motion to the watch faces and so the videos are kind of like even more emphasizing that there's this you just need to figure out what is the main point what are you trying to do with your designs and then have that same idea taken from the watch face to the screenshots to your app description, to your videos to your online social media it just all needs to tie into one nice bow and then it works tony morelan 34 02 definitely i would say another thing that really stands out for me when i think of the brand urarity is color you do not shy away from color i can tell that you must spend a great amount of time thinking about color i know we're on a podcast and you can only hear us at this moment but i can actually see you and right now your background in your room is changing in color you must have some sort of led lighting the chest tell me about color and how important it is to you because i can tell it is a big factor drazen stojcic 34 34 yeah, it is it is and actually you know funny things you notice about the background because i would frequently set up my room lights to go with the with the colors on the of the watch face that i'm working on that's great or sometimes i will i will just like use these i have these cool led lights that you can customize and all that remotely and sometimes i will just like mix these colors in real life and just see what's, what fits you know what works? and a lot of it helps me having experience within photography, you learn what colors work one with another? how brightness functions, how do we perceive brightness on a screen, it's kind of like, when you're framing the shot for that photograph it's not that different from setting up various elements on the screen, because you're still trying to get that golden ratio or intuitively program to like certain shapes and certain forms and certain ratios, and certain colors as well yes and so depending on the mood, i guess i'm trying to make or the effect that i'm trying to get, i will use a lot of color, or i will use muted colors and some sometimes i don't think a lot of people notice it, but not all of my watch phases have like black backgrounds, although they look like they do, they have a slight tint, and it can be just the tiniest amount of maybe blue or green it and, and for me, it makes all the difference i spend huge amounts of time with color i don't stop until i'm perfectly satisfied and now having my brother in all of this a lot of the times i you know, i will be happy and he will say i'm not so sure i think you need to make like, i think you need to change this and then i was like spend another week changing colors so it's a long process it's not yeah, you know, you don't do it in one night tony morelan 36 42 i loved hearing what you said just about black that that truthfully, black is not just black, you can have warm black, you can have cold black and so i often do that where i'll use the color picker in photoshop and you know, if i've done my design, i'll try and find the sort of the feel of the of the face the you know, what's the tone of it and i'll sample that and then within color picker, i'll go down to the to the almost to black, but it has just a little bit of hint of that yeah, whether it's like an orange or a blue or something because that then like you said, it ties in that background, that the foundation of the watch face still picks up what feels like that ambient lighting from the other elements exactly drazen stojcic 37 25 that's exactly what i'm talking about i take a lot of time perfecting my watch faces and that's why i guess that's why i don't make a lot of them you know, i'm not like this super producer i didn't make like 100 watch faces a year? yeah, it's always maybe 10 or 12, or 15 tony morelan 37 48 so how many total? would you say you have available on the store? drazen stojcic 37 51 yeah, so at the moment, i think we have around 100 or 110 okay, i've made a lot more actually, in these four years, especially in the beginning, i would make a lot, a lot of i think a lot of developers go through this, they will just churn out just bump, bump, bump but after a while you see that? it's just it doesn't make sense it's very few hold backs, you know, let it sit for a while get everything polished to the very last detail and then once you're totally satisfied, then you publish yeah and so as time goes on, i'm more focused on making the watch faces as perfect as they can be, rather than getting them out as quickly as possible tony morelan 38 41 yeah and i think that also what comes into play is the support that comes around that watch face so what you have to do from a marketing standpoint, all of the different, you know, elements that are key to successfully marketing your watch face if you have hundreds and hundreds, it's hard to maintain that this way it sounds like you can focus on you know, a smaller collection, but still be able to then put a lot of time into the marketing drazen stojcic 39 05 side of things exactly the more watch faces you have the bigger problem you have down the road when it comes time to update and eventually does so i really think that this is a like a situation where you need to think about not the quantity but rather the quality because in the end, the customers also recognize this, you know, if they see you made 300 watch phases in a year and the year has 365 days, you know you're not sending the right message and i will frequently go and be very critical of my own work and so after a while i see a bunch of mistakes i did or i'm not totally satisfied with some of my older work and i will just remove it i will just take it, take it down, clean up the portfolio, polish it so when a customer comes, you know, they only see the very best, or at least the very best for this moment that i added i mean, you know, of course, yeah tony morelan 40 08 so would you mind sharing? how many downloads total? does he already have? drazen stojcic 40 15 so we're close to 700,000 downloads now, wow, stretched over a period of four years and a large part of this was paid watch faces, or, you know, i don't know, the exact percent, which was, some of them were free and will frequently use free watch faces to, to promote, or other things that will, for example, in terms of marketing strategies will frequently do like, buy one, get one? yes and stuff like that, you know, where a customer still gets a free watch face but, you know, we also turn them into a painting into a paying customer as well tony morelan 41 05 so let me ask you, how do you approach that? does the customer have to show proof of purchase? what's your, what's your approach to that? drazen stojcic 41 13 so we asked them to show us a screenshot of from their, from this store, or sometimes will like, be fine if they can just show a photo of their watch, with our watch face on it, or things like that, you know, any proof is fine we're not really playing detectives here or anything yeah so on one hand, we want to give something for free on another hand and a lot of these customers are our returning customers, because they, they are familiar with our watch faces and with our system, and we know a lot of them over the years, there's really been customers that have supported us right from the very start tony morelan 41 58 what's your approach with marketing on social? are you doing much in the way of that? drazen stojcic 42 03 when i started with watch faces, my main kind of venue was youtube, because of the animations and all of that, i just needed a video service that could, you know, show the watch faces in action so i was building up this youtube channel for a long time and then after a while, i also started doing facebook and instagram but it takes time, it really does and i didn't really realize how much it can be useful until my brother took over and start doing it like for real sure you know, he had only this one thing to focus on for example, our youtube channel is close to 2 million views now and we only have our watch face videos so that does kind of tell you a lot, there's a lot of things that you can do to promote your watch faces and so over time, we are also we've also teamed up with some of the more popular tech channels or people who are doing watch face reviews, or who have an interest in this and so we would team up with them, have them promote some of our work, give some of coupons for free sure, something like that some discount stuff like that and facebook has also been very good for us instagram, and, you know, i my brother does so much stuff that some of it even i don't know, you know, he's like, doing stuff on reddit, on the forums tick tock, really are the place yeah, i really don't mess into this so i gave him like free rein to do as he thinks because obviously, this is something that he does and knows better than, than me tony morelan 44 06 yeah okay excellent and i'm sure across all of this, you're leveraging galaxy store badges is that correct? drazen stojcic 44 12 yeah, absolutely you know, we, we were actually a part of the galaxy badge pilot program and so quickly, we, we kind of got this additional step into our workflow so we will use both individual badges for like certain watch faces, but we are also frequently using our, like, our main badge that leads to our whole portfolio because and as you mentioned, you know, we i think we have a strong portfolio so sometimes the first thing they see is the whole layout, everything we've done so and it's been very useful in terms of, you know, following the clicks and all of that the statistics and there's a lot of science in this, i guess it's very interesting when you start analyzing the data that you can get from these badges and clicks and all and see what works what doesn't yeah, yeah because obviously you're trying to maximize the effect, you're not going to spend time or, or money or effort into something that doesn't work tony morelan 45 19 yeah, definitely so tell me what is in the future for your entity? is there anything that we can anticipate? drazen stojcic 45 29 well, so as i mentioned before, we had a lot of success with our mechanical watch faces that have these highly customizable appearances and so for the last couple of months, i've been toying with this idea of trying to do the same thing, but with digital watch faces and getting that same wow effect for customers that, you know, oh, sorry yeah right, great so just today, i got my new the 21 ultra tony morelan 46 20 oh, did you okay, drazen stojcic 46 21 yeah, yeah, i just arrived this morning and so i, like 10 minutes before we started this, i had to transfer all of the data and settings from my old phone, of course, and one of the things that it transferred was also the alarms so i switched off the alarm at the old phone, but i forgot about the new one so that's why i went off tony morelan 46 47 that's too funny right so you were talking about in the future, doing some animations with digital? yeah, drazen stojcic 46 53 yeah so i mentioned before that we had huge success with our mechanical watch faces that that had really customizable appearances and so for the last couple of months, i've been playing with this idea of repeating that same thing, but with digital watch faces and it's, it may seem like it's a simple transition, but actually, it's not and it has its own unique challenges, because making digital watch faces is completely different idea behind it and different visuals, and it just needs a different approach and so i'm kind of messing with that i'm trying to find the best thing that that i think it will be like good first watch face to try and repeat that same success sure tony morelan 47 44 that's exciting to hear because i would love to see that your urarity face in a in a digital form so super excited to know that we can anticipate that so before we close off this interview, you know, i have to say your english is amazing you're from croatia, but you speak perfect english i know, there's a little story behind how you learn to speak english can you share that? drazen stojcic 48 07 yeah, sure so i mentioned before, you know, we had this war thing here when i was a kid and so during the war, it's not that different from the pandemic, you know, yeah, you spend a lot of time indoors, you know, you can go out, you can play your little kid and so it just coincided with this period where we got like, first cable tv and so before that, there was like, three channels all in one language and that was it and then, you know, we got like these cool things like cnn and cartoon network and all of that stuff and i didn't know a word of english other than, you know, seeing some of the movies and stuff like that and so i was just like, i would watch hours and hours of this and a cool thing was that it was subtitled so yeah and so just, you know, listening to the words and seeing the translation below, it just helps so much, you know, with the meaning and with the phrases and with the correct pronunciation and all of that stuff and then later on came to computers and with the computers, eventually there came a period where i did a little bit of online gaming, and then you would talk to people from all over the world and then you just hit too, you know, you got to start speaking and i would frequently talk to people from the us or from england, or even people from other parts of the world and you know, english was always something i enjoyed, and i just fit so perfectly and because i travel a lot, it's also proven to be really useful for me yeah, of course tony morelan 49 56 so what you're saying is that you learned english by watching ren and stimpy? drazen stojcic 50 01 yeah, pretty much that's pretty much tony morelan 50 04 that's great hey drazen, it’s been excellent to have you on the podcast thank you so much for joining me and much luck in the new year drazen stojcic 50 13 thank you for having me and just you know, i'm very, very happy and honored to be on the podcast i always enjoy talking to you and i hope that this year sdc will be possible and that we will meet in person and see the other developers as well, you know, i really missed seeing them last year tony morelan 50 37 yeah, no, it'll be great to get everybody back together exactly excellent all right well, thanks, drazen drazen stojcic 50 43 thank you, tony outro 50 44 looking to start creating for samsung download the latest tools to code your next app, or get software for designing apps without coding at all sell your apps to the world on the samsung galaxy store check out developer samsung com today and start your journey with samsung tony morelan 51 00 the pow! podcast is brought to you by the samsung developer program and produced by tony morelan
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docsdc, samsung developers conference in 2018, all of us finalists were invited to go and then we presented on stage and i ended up winning that hackathon wow yeah and then that led to i met adam shire and a bunch of the bixby people had some good conversations one thing led to another deeper longer conversations that was in i believe, september 20 18th, and in january 2019, i joined samsung are joined this labs subsidiary of samsung is behind bixby tony morelan 04 04 you've been in this tech industry for about you said 2025 years assuming then that your education is in the tech field did you? was that what you majored in when you're in college? roger kibbe 04 13 no good question no, i actually have a psychology degree well, that comes in handy with two teenage daughters it does, indeed actually comes in handy in a lot of ways, actually because, you know, i think our success personally and professionally is, you know, interacting with people and in a lot of ways, but, uh, yeah, you know, i have a deep interest in human behavior and how that works and so i decided to major in psychology, but i've always been, you know, there's the geek in me and i've always played with technology and so for instance, i took a couple classes pewter science classes for fun, including a lisp class so if anybody knows lisp out there as a listener, that's usually not such a language that you to equate with fun, but i had a lot of fun with it tony morelan 04 58 expand a little bit more on listen, what is that? roger kibbe 05 02 well, it's a programming language that is used i would think pretty much only in academia by today, but it's often used to teach kind of the fundamental was i don't know what modern cs classes are probably moved beyond it, kind of fundamentals of programming and there's a lot of what's called recursion in it, where a function that you write calls itself so it gets very complicated if you're a developer, you know what i'm talking about, if you're not a developer, there's kind of this circular reasoning where it kind of just goes in circles and calls itself and calls itself so it's, it gets very confusing in a lot of ways at first, but, uh, it's actually a really good way to learn a lot of the fundamentals of programming i done programming for that i started in high school, actually, so graduate college, you actually get right into the tech industry just mentioned a little bit about this startup that you had created, and then how that led you into, you know, your interest in voice yeah, and you know, a little but it gets back to my thinking about my whole technology career, i served as a consultant and i worked in technology strategy for gapping for many years, and i've always looked for technology to go do something for us, and then get out of the way and one of the challenges i see with technology today is often yeah, it's incredibly powerful and does something useful for us or something we want it to do, but then it doesn't really get out of the way um, and when i first saw voice and start playing with voice assistance, i was like, i didn't get it at first but then after playing with him more and more as like, you know what this is, this kind of fulfills that kind of lifelong ambition of, hey, go get something done and get out of the way it's the best tech i know for getting out of the way so in back in 2017, i you know, i had a really good kind of technology job, but the big corporation caught my cushy, cushy, corporate tech job i decided to get you know, a little bit of an itch, i decided to be a little bit crazy and leave that bounced around a little bit with some startup opportunities and ended up founding my own voice startup with the idea being hey, it's really too hard to build voice applications today i'm going to make it much easier for you to do it or our tagline was wordpress for voice you know, wordpress is in the web world course yep, lots of templates makes it easy for small business to get online really easily we wanted to build that for voice i will say i think it's still a really good idea and a lot of ways kind of untapped but, um, you know, i think there's a saying that ideas are cheap, and execution is hard i certainly learned that, you know, i think we built a bunch of things, but we weren't fully executing it so i started veering over into the kind of consulting side and doing my own consulting work and that's when i entered that business hackathon one nad and those conversations led to where i currently am but i'm super happy i did it it was a it was a great experience it's something i'd always kind of the back of my head, hey, go off and do your own thing, right? whether succeeds or fails, it doesn't matter got it you got to itch that itch tony morelan 08 17 exactly i actually once heard that you learn more from failed startups than you do from successful startups so i too, have ventured into that area i too, have failed, and lots of great learnings that still come out of that so you had mentioned adam shire, viv labs, bixby, samsung, kind of tell me this whole relationship, how those all have come together what exactly is viv lab and who is adam shire? roger kibbe 08 42 yeah so let me tell you about adam first, a legend and voice and adam has been working in voice for like 25 years back he worked at stanford sri on voice ah, in the, i guess late 20s 2008 somewhere around there they founded a startup called siri and built really what was the first kind of consumer facing voices system? siri most people don't know was originally an app on ios and then very quickly apple bought it so adam and his co-founder dead kit law, worked with apple for a couple years and then went to leave because they really wanted to build kind of the next generation of conversational ai and voice assistance and that's when they founded viv labs and built out the vid labs technology and then a few years ago, samsung bought viv labs and used it as the foundations of some people called bixby to dotto or the new bixby but the current bixby that's on modern samsung phones, is based upon that viv labs acquisition so adam is our kind of our technology guru and leader and quite frankly, his vision and where he'd like to see this industry go is a lot of the reason why i chose viv labs because i really, i end is thinking about where voice and conversational ai can go tony morelan 10 07 wonderful so let me ask you a quick question about bixby itself can you tell me where the name bixby came from? roger kibbe 10 14 that's a great question and i'm going to tell you i actually don't know why 10 18 don't we ask bixby oh, roger kibbe 10 20 might as well bixby know best tony morelan 10 24 hey, bixby where did the name bixby come from? 10 28 i've heard that in some cultures bixby means one with great intelligence who raps maybe that's why samsung chosen for me roger kibbe 10 35 very good there we go so bixby is not a name that's a samsung invented that name on the original voice assistant samsung has a little bit of a history there's something called s voice that then became bixby and the original bixby is really largely focused on controlling the phone and not so much a general purpose voice assistant and then when they bought vans, it was really to build that into general purpose voice assistant i will say that the name bixby is a good name for a voice assistant why is that? yeah, good question um, so when you say hi bixby or alexa, or hey, google, what happens is on the local device, it has to understand that phrase, and then most of the rest of the processing of anything you say, really is done in the cloud but you need local processing power on that device to say, hey, i heard that pacific wake up word okay and now i'll wake up and i'll start listening in order to do that, on the local device, you need to be saying something that's kind of got the right kind of syllables got enough syllables and has a mixture of vowels and consonants that make it easy to understand that term, because you don't want to wake up for a false wake word that's a problem in the industry, is i say something and your voices is it wakes up and you weren't addressing bixby is a really good term because of that consonants and vowels and the way they're mixed in there and then also just, it's short but phonetically, the way it sounds is pretty distinct and so whoever came up with that word, they were definitely thinking about this when they came up with that as the as the wake word for samsung's voice assistant tony morelan 12 22 got it? and it's a pretty unique word too so i would think that it's not getting confused with maybe you know, something that could be more common roger kibbe 12 28 yeah, although there is a bixby there's a city called bixby i believe in oklahoma and then down in just south of us around monterrey there's a bixby bridge so it's fairly unique, but there is actually there are other big cities in the world tony morelan 12 45 i did not know that roger kibbe 12 48 and build bixby on and bill bixby played the incredible hulk oh, yes, he did yeah so interesting okay so not a common word, but there are other uses the word bixby bixby says interesting tony morelan 13 03 so now you had mentioned that you know bixby was available on samsung devices can you talk a little bit about other devices? is it just strictly for samsung devices for their phones? or is it beyond the phone? roger kibbe 13 14 yeah, so is for samsung devices right now here's the situation right now so right now you can go and develop a bixby capsule and you can deploy it on a samsung phone and there's a marketplace for end users of the phones to go and enable your capsule think about market the marketplace is the equivalent of the play store, the samsung store, the ios, the app store, there but it's for voice applications capsules, as we call them so that's all enabled for a phone so you can build from end to end to get it out to consumers on the phones and that's the bixby marketplace that's the biggest marketplace what you can do right now though, is you can build for the tv samsung is the world's biggest tv manufacturer by a pretty significant margin the watch, we're the world's second largest smartphone watch manufacturer, and for smart appliances so we have a refrigerator that has a screen on it it's a smart appliance and we're we have huge market share and appliances so you can build for all those devices, which to my mind is super exciting because i think voice assistants currently have been kind of driven primarily by smart speakers that's the first thing they introduced and now they're on phones but that's led to a little bit of kind of smart, speaker centric or phone centric thinking about what you can do when you add voice to the tv, or the watch or an appliance you start thinking of whole different and unique use cases where voice can unlock some pretty rich functionality as you can say, i could wayne go on and on about this i get pretty excited about the opportunities on those additional devices and so you can develop today in those, and in the marketplace is coming later this year so super exciting stuff coming from us tony morelan 15 12 okay, wonderful so tell me a little bit about you'd mentioned the i know there are their voice assistant, you know, the application software out there how is bixby different than its competitors? roger kibbe 15 24 um, so first, i already talked about all those different devices yep right and i think that that's a key differentiator and let me dive in a little bit one because one, i'm particularly excited i'm particularly excited about the tv and why i'm excited about that is i look at my so my two teenage daughters, they don't watch tv without their smartphone in her hand so and they will stop the tv and play with a smartphone they want interactive tv, and it doesn't really exist today and so they use a smartphone to enable that now i generally, you know, a different generation tv is kind of a thing and i listened to it but i've been thinking about the tv and thinking about, hey, what happens the tv was voice enabled, and i can ask it things even when something is playing the best example i like to think about a sports course so let's say i'm watching a sports game like, oh man, i want to hear more about that player or i don't know i'm watching a football game and they call clipping and maybe i'm new to football, and they're like, what's clipping? wouldn't it be cool? if i could ask the tv? hey, watching the warriors on tv? hey, tell me how many points for game is stephen curry or who's stephen curry it is me overlays some information about stefan curry there and i can go back to watching the game or a football example hey, what's clipping and show me what's clipping is and i could better understand the game i think that's incredibly powerful to bring kind of interactivity, to tv a in and kind of empower what i see this kind of younger generation seems to want when they have their, their phones with the tv and quite frankly, i will often say we have we have some smart speakers next our tv and we'll pause and ask it a question so we want it to, yes, build that right in the tv, build it into where it just shows up and then goes away if you gave permission, you know, and i think there's some privacy implications to this, but about what you are watching on the tv to the voices, and then it could be really incredibly contextually aware and give you a really amazing information so i'm really excited about the devices that are that are coming out for samsung, and that's a differentiator the second big differentiator is really related to those devices all those devices have screens so if you look at the voice market today, and you look at let's talk about because they're obviously our competitors, alexa 85 to 90% of their devices are screaming just a smart speaker okay, on the google side, there's a lot of them, they do have on the phone, a lot of uses on their smart speakers that are in the home so most of what's being built is voice only with samsung devices, because all those devices i talked about, and it's fair to say in the future, most samsung devices will have a screen you need to build not only for a voice experience, but also a screen experience, that kind of multi-modality, which i think opens up a ton of opportunities and quite frankly, in some cases, some challenges around multi-modality and building that but it's a new frontier and a lot of ways to build truly multimodal experiences, where you can interact with voice and screen and think about how they interplay with each other tony morelan 18 49 so i hadn't heard of that term before so multi-modality that is where you have voice and screen at the same time on the same device roger kibbe 18 59 yeah, actually, i really refers to kind of you actually are using it today when you use the mouse and the keyboard so to put a different input mechanism, i say into that is multimodal, you know, i was talking about swiping and typing as the two prompt dominant modalities right now voice being a third one, i will tell you it's pretty interesting if you look at kind of the rise of those modalities we went from kind of keyboard and then about 10 years later, the mouse arose in the gui and then that and then about 10 years later, ah, smartphones with touchscreens were introduced there so swiping became and tapping became without, well guess what? smartphones of screens are just a little over 10 years old so by that 10-year cycle, it's about time for another modality to kind of arise sure and voice definitely looks like a modality it does not replace typing and swiping what it does is it augments, there's things where voice is the very best way to interact with technology there’re things we're typing in the very best way to interact with technology, there's things we're swiping in your smartphone, the very best way to interact with technology, it opens up a different way of interacting with technology and kind of powers us to do more with our tech tony morelan 20 21 so then, let me ask you, where do you see voice going, you know, in the next year, and then even beyond that, you know, for talking five to 10 years give me give me your thoughts, your ideas of where we really could be taking voice roger kibbe 20 33 yeah, so voice is in its infancy right now i like to say that we're at the point where we're kind of barking commands okay, at the voice assistance another one, which gives me a laugh, is we're in the fart app stage so that was the original apps on smartphones were all apps that party, right? yeah so we're kind of in that stage with voice right now really early what i think i'd like to see in the next year or two is a little beyond just parking command and actually get some things done i'm actually pretty bullish about voice commerce and if not actually going and buying things actually starting the buying process, and actually kind of that top of the funnel kind of marketing and there's a whole idea of paid marketing by listening to the radio or tv, it's a one way push toward me voice if i could have a conversation about a product or right, i want more information i don't kind of more of a pull marketing, i like to call it that and then i also, um, let me just jump in really quickly it sounds tony morelan 21 35 like what you're saying that maybe where this could go is like, if i'm actually listening to an ad on the radio, i could, in a sense, have a conversation and ask more questions about that product that's being told to me yeah, yeah, because that would be amazing roger kibbe 21 51 yeah so it's interesting because i'll mention so both spotify and pandora started you know, they have a free ad tier yes, and many are experimenting just in the last month or two in 2020, certainly, with this idea of, if they're on a device that has a speaker, and that and you're using their client, they'll play an ad and say, do you want to hear more? if you say, yes, get more information, you say, no, you don't right and that's really kind of infant kind of simple stuff works yeah, that's pretty exciting to me is, hey, you know, i, like all, many of us, you know, i kind of tune out the ads when i want to, but every once in a while, there's something i'm like, oh, that is really interesting i'd like to learn more about that or i'd like to call book market, of course so i think there's a huge opportunity there to say, hey, remind me of this or wow, that sounds really interesting i'd like to hear more and start a conversation there so that kind of interactive audio advertising i don't know when that's all going to happen but i'd sure like to see that happen in voice in the next few years i think you did ask about like longer term by 10 years out there tony morelan 23 03 yeah, definitely roger kibbe 23 04 yeah so i guess the industry likes to call this idea of ambient computing just computing around us that just does things for us and sometimes it's just ai that knows we need to get things done and kind of preemptively does it for us but voice is a big part of that i could just walk into my house and start talking to it, or in my car or in my office and talk and get things done i'm reminded of there's a funny scene in one of the star trek movies, i think it's one of the early ones when they go back in time and they go back to earth, in a running lead to a hospital and scotty sees a mouse and he picks it up, he starts talking to the mouse and of course, he doesn't do it he kind of mumbles under his breath about, you know, how advanced they are you know, maybe we're going to get there where voice works well enough, where much of our interaction with tech is done through voice scores yeah, like i said, i think we'll see keyboards have been around forever, they'll probably still be here in 10 years, and miles on swiping and typing, i just think there's a bunch of things that if we think about it, we can do better with voice or voice is part to that multi-modality, part of that interaction with our technology so that's what i like to seek out five or 10 years be kind of a, not a novel thing, like it is now in a lot of ways but it just you expect yeah, tony morelan 24 26 and it's, you know, it's crazy to think, you know, it seems like smartphones have been around forever but it was not that long ago that truly the first smartphone was introduced to us and 10 years from now is not much and just think about the advancements that definitely voice will take over that time roger kibbe 24 42 yeah, absolutely absolutely you know, like truly understanding yep human voices really hard i can say something to you in 10 different ways can you understand i'm seeing the same thing? oh, yeah that's really hard for an ai to do that yeah part of the challenges we have right now voice is when you're developing a voice application need to be pretty deterministic about if a user says this this way, then this is what you do and here's some variations and how they say, because the ai gets better, you won't have to be so deterministic in your development they'll just say, when the user intends this is their intention right? thank you yes, something like that that's going to be huge, huge unlock for the industry but it is a really hard ai problem tony morelan 25 32 yeah, you know, actually some of the biggest laughs that we get in our house, so it's when we listen to my wife try and talk to one of those voice automated systems that you see on phone systems when you're asking a question trying to be transferred to a different department and the phone system doesn't understand what my wife says she doesn't say it any differently she just says it more aggressively she gets mad or she gets angrier, but she's still saying the same terms and it's still sending her to the wrong department and you know, myself, the kids, we all are just laughing as she just gets have tried to deal with this really, you know, low level ai system roger kibbe 26 05 yeah, you know, this industry calls us ivr so they mostly been around for a long time and you know that the driver there was cost reduction right so it's expensive for a csr to answer phones cause reduction we all understand it, but sometimes doesn't put people first and i think you saw that with ivr it's funny when you were mentioning your wife getting frustrated and i likewise, um, you know, i will say hitting 0000 in an ivr often kicks you out of it but uh um, there's even websites that actually tell you how to if you're stuck in ivr hell, like this is how you say or this is the buttons you press to get out of that which is pretty funny but that you caught up in something i think is pretty interesting we can all feel as humans emotions in our voice, happiness, sadness, excited, bored that the there is a lot of research being done around voice assistance, understanding kind of the emotion in there because just hearing a voice we as humans hear obviously the words we also understand the emotion they're subtle cues and how we say things obviously, they're face to face there's also a body language one of the challenges and then ai i talked about, is it just understand it's saying, here's the words, what are those words mean? if i could understand the emotion of the user, that could be another input into my understanding, or if you're pissed and angry, and you're talking to an ai voice assistant, maybe you don't want it to be happy, full of personality and cracking jokes you want it to be direct and to the point and the other hand if you're having fun, maybe the personality of the voice assistant the personas industries likes to call it is more fun and crack some jokes in this kind of friendly i think there's a big unlock for voices systems to understand kind of the emotional cues that we as humans are giving with the tone and how we say things sure tony morelan 28 17 so let's talk a little bit about discoverability oh, you know, i can only imagine if there's a lot of third-party apps out there what's bixby doing to help make discoverability? a little easier? roger kibbe 28 27 yeah, there are a lot of third-party applications for all the voice assistance and part of the challenge is, you have to use the name so if i use if i call my voice app would say voice, the podcast helper okay, if i want to use the podcast helper, i have to say something like, ask podcast helper to start or ask podcast helper to play my favorite podcast the problem there is that ask podcast helper, i have to remember that phrase and i have to remember that term for the name of application the problem with discoverability is people don't remember that and so they don't use it and so if i just say, tell my voices to play my favorite podcasts, it's going to use whatever built in functionality it has to play podcasts as an example, and not podcasts helper, and not podcast helper on the other hand, podcast helper may be a better experience sure i, as a user, feel that podcast helper is my favorite way to listen to podcasts so what we did with big suzy, introduced late last year, somebody called natural language categories, and it's really to address that and the whole idea is, is these categories are way categories of interactions so like playing a podcast, podcast is one of our categories i'll give you another example and give you an actual real-world example weather is one of our categories so if i ask bixby what's the weather like? whatsoever like today, what's the weather like next week? what's the weather like? he will answer that in the built-in weather capsule i answered that, but i actually in my big city, so there is a weather capsule called big sky that i really like goes into more detail it's kind of for weather geeks, and i like weather and so in bixby once i enable big sky what i can do, because it's part of the natural light, the weather natural language category, i as an end user can go and say, i want this to be the default so the next time i say, hi bixby, what's the weather, big sky answers, built in weather functionality so what lets you do is choose and personalize your voices system the closest thing i mean, look, look at android phones look at samsung phones if you install two different map apps on an android phone, the first time you go to launch a map, it says hey, you have map app, a or have that be which one you want to use? and do you want to make one-year default? well, bixby has really exactly the same thing but for voice so what's the weather? like if i've enabled two of them and say, hey, you have weather capsule a, or you have big sky? which one would you like to use? would you like to make one the default? so i said, hey, use big sky and make it the default and from then on big sky answers that i can always go into settings and change that or i can always go back to that old kind of invocation name and say, ask weather app pay for the weather and it'll override, right because then i'm specifically addressing the name of a capsule, and that will answer so we've had this in about 20 different categories we keep on building these and thinking about it we think it's a big unlock to not only developers kind of solving this discoverability problem, but to my mind, even more importantly, as a consumer i said, i like big sky over the in weather app, but everybody has their own preferences there so let the consumer choose what they want their experience to be sure their favorite provider for x, y, or z, and really personalize the experience to the consumer so suddenly, it may come across in how i'm describing it, but we're definitely super excited about because he thinks there's such amazing possibilities there tony morelan 32 21 yeah, no, that sounds that sounds great so let's talk about getting started if developers or designers want to think about getting into voice, what advice would you give them? yeah, so a couple roger kibbe 32 30 things come to mind the first is when you're thinking about what you want to build is voice the best interface for it right so, you know, obviously, i'm a fan of voice i think it's amazing i also think there's areas where typing on a keyboard, or swiping on a screen or better interfaces, right for what you're trying to do so you need to think about if it's easy are faster or better to do it swiping or typing i probably shy away from it okay on the other hand, if it's hard or difficult, i always like to think about things where i'm like, wow, i got to go through 12 different menus to go do this wow voice might be really amazing there so if you're going to replace some functionality, think about stuff that were voices a better interface or where voice is just brand new, it would not work well without voice being the kind of the modality with which you interact with that technology so that's number one number two, i'd say is follow your passion okay, you know, the very best apps, pc, a phone or for voice are typically where the developer had some passion about it so it really comes through so if you're passionate about cooking, hmm, maybe there's something cooking voice experience you can build if you're passionate about exercise maybe there's an exercise voice experience you can build so i say, follow your passions, because you're going to build something that passion will come through to people using your app and you know what? it's going to be a heck of a lot more fun to build yeah if it's something that follows your passions, you want to build something that you use right, exactly this is fun i'd use it this is so cool i want to share it with the world tony morelan 34 28 yeah, yeah, i think that's a lot of great entrepreneurs get started as they're doing something that they want, that they're excited about and then they worry about, you know, the money in the marketing later but yeah, completely agree with you so, in doing a little research for this interview, i, i discovered i learned that you actually host your own podcast tell me a little bit about the bixby developers chat podcast that you host roger kibbe 34 56 yeah, yeah so just started that in january this year, you know how to get started, i went and told my boss and said, i want to start a podcast he said, go for it i don't know what that means i mean, he knew what it meant but it was kind of like, go for it let's figure it out and see how it works and really the genesis is, you know, every time i go to a voice conference, i have these kinds of long in-depth kind of conversations with people around hey, what are you building with voice? what's your thinking about it? where can you go in the future? and i really wanted to share some of those conversations with the world you know, i'm passionate about voice and these great conversations with it to my earlier point about what you're passionate about, go share it, so wanted to go share it with the world and so i think we're done we've done 11 podcasts right now we do one every two weeks on breeding, typically people in the voice industry in when we talk about what they're doing, what they've built what they think the future will look like on these our general conversations we definitely talk about bixby somewhat, but i really the whole idea was a little bit kind of a halo effect is hey, people who are interested in voice would go listen to this podcast and yeah, absolutely we want them to go listen and go, hey, i got to go check out that bixby and go try it out or develop something on it i like what those guys are doing yeah but the podcast yep, wide ranging i've talked to voice designers, i talked to some podcasters i've talked to developers and i continue to think of who would be an interesting guest to talk about it it's a lot of fun um, i continue enjoy it listenership seems to be growing pretty well so i don't know for one podcaster to another yeah, i think podcasting is a lot of fun tony morelan 36 48 yeah, definitely so for our podcasting fans how can they find your podcast? where are you guys hosted? what's it called? roger kibbe 36 54 yeah, great question bixby developers chat so any of your major podcast players, if you start searching for bixby, your bixby developers that'll come across we're also built in the bixby capsule so if you enable it you can say hi bixby, play bixby developers chat and then we're online if you just search for bixby developers chat, and you can see it and please listen, and then let me know what you like your what you'd like to see in the future i think a lot of the value of podcasting is listening to your audience and they'll say, i love this i'd like more of this, less of this love to hear about it tony morelan 37 31 wonderful so you've been around voice for a long time in fact, you know, not just with your podcast, but prior to that with all of your work with voice i'm sure you've got a lot of experiences around voice so tell me some of your favorite experiences and why roger kibbe 37 43 yeah, i'm going to say maybe my favorite capsule and bixby is something built in it's the yelp capsule and why i really like that is i talked earlier about i said, grace is a great way to interface in many ways, but not always so voice is a really great input modality so if i wanted to find a chinese restaurant in san francisco, that's open past 10pm on saturday nights that's a pretty easy you, you can understand exactly what i'm saying sure, um, there's a lot of information than that now think about that if i was to search using a typical web interface, right, there's a lot of clicking and typing and things like that and drilling down i need to do there yeah, but if i just ask the bixby oh, capsule, something like that, it could parse all that input, and then show me the results so it's great for input modality on the other hand, i get a list of restaurants and a list of restaurants via voice may be kind of overwhelming so that's a great place where the screen etc screen, this list here and then i kind of go back to touch when i swipe through those and touch and find more information why i like that is it's a great example of multi-modality and kind of using the mix the modalities together so the yelp capsule and bixby the other thing i'll say one of my favorite things to do on voice is, or just generally is i love trivia there’re some pretty fun voice trivia experiences one i really like on a very popular question of the day it's actually quite simple but really well done so boom, start question of the day aspects be hi bixby star question of the day, it gives you one question, multiple choice answers if you get the answer right, you get a bonus question and you can ask that what's really well done in that is the content is really well done so the questions are great, the content is great i'm going to say our content is king invoice and that's a great example it's incredibly simple what they built but incredibly great because the content so great, there's experience that isn't on bixby i'd love to see come to bixby what's that? it's a trivia game called feel the pressure feel the pressure which is on alexa yeah and you've done great content and really great sound effects the sound effects in that game made me want to play that game more and i love the thinking of what set sound effects and the impact upon your kind of psyche are so i love that game but yeah, those are two examples of things that i think are done really, really well with voice tony morelan 40 22 excellent, excellent laughter definitely check those out so if people want to learn more about bixby or even you as an evangelist, what's the best way for them to get in touch with you? roger kibbe 40 29 yeah so for bixby so www bixbydevelopers com that is our website and by the way, that is where you can go i mean, today, you can start developing for bixby so you download the bixby developer studio or id, you can do all your development there's even a simulator in there so if you don't yet have a samsung device, you can go and build that simulator and just from a phone to watch the tv and smart appliance so you can build all that so that's www bixbydevelopers com kind of your home hub for everything big sweet the other things i'd say follow us on social we try to be pretty active on twitter so at bixby developers can also find us at facebook bixby developers search for bixby developers on social myself i am definitely pretty active on twitter at roger kibbe i love to talk about voice what people are doing, what's happening, learn about new areas that people are exploring so let's connect and continue the conversation on twitter tony morelan 41 37 excellent, excellent so let me ask you a few questions about bixby studio so that's the software that's used to create your capsules tell me a little bit about getting bixby studio is this free? does it cost? roger kibbe 41 49 yeah, hundred percent free you literally it's on the homepage of bixby developers calm for mac, windows and linux you download it it's a full-blown id with develop debug, there's a testing suite in there there's a simulator, like i said, so you can go from end to end testing and you all do it in that id, there's no it automatically syncs to the cloud that's actually kind of a big competitive advantage for us is our idx some of our competitors require you to do things and kind of sync to the cloud or use two different interfaces everything in bixby developer studio isn't one you can do it all there and do all your development there until you're ready to submit to the marketplace and then you start that within that, that studio as well so is there a process where developers have to be approved to publish their capsules? yeah, so much like what happens with the other voice assistants and happens in various mobile phone app stores there is a process so you submit your capsule with information for the marketplace and that is some information with the reviewers if necessary, and then there's a review process and they make sure you know, there's certain rules around, you know, appropriate content, or have you does that actually work particularly tricky with voice, right? people won't always phrase something the same way so you want to build over flexibility you create these things called hints, which are kind of phrases that will kick off your voice experience or capsule you want those to work so the reviewers check all that and make sure it all works and if that's all working, then we'll go live in the marketplace and if it doesn't, they'll give you some feedback one of the things we're particularly proud about is our developer kind of outreach in a lot of areas around there and if somebody doesn't pass, we try to give really useful feedback about hey, here's what you need to fix and we also get feedback around hey, this, maybe this went live, but this could be even better x, y or z because it's always in our interest to have really great capsules on the marketplace, so our developers spend our, our capsule review team spends a little more time reviewing things, because part of their job is to give some constructive feedback on sure you know, good degrade, i like to say, tony morelan 44 18 exactly so not just does it work or does it not, you know, pass or fail? you're actually giving more insight on how to improve this to get more success yeah, roger kibbe 44 25 absolutely tony morelan 44 26 wow that's great that's great all right so i am going to finish off with our last question here, our last topic, in doing a little research on viv labs and adam shire i came across this penn and teller video of him doing magic so and i've been found some other videos of adam doing magic, and i'm wondering, does magic work its way into viv labs i mean, a little bit about that roger kibbe 44 53 yeah, so absolutely this so adam is actually this pretty talented amateur magician he probably kickoff professional if you really put his mind to it so he loves to talk about magic and he seems to know everyone in the magic industry, he's incredibly well connected there um, so a couple things happen one, we have what we call friday magic so every friday afternoon, kind of near the end of the day, we have a magician come in use of magic, which is really kind of a cool way to start the weekend, you know? sure all right, you know, the work week is over, well laugh and be entertained with some magic and then we all we all go home that happens it's a lot of fun we definitely when we go to trade shows, we often bring magician in place, sometimes very entertaining results there but yeah, it's just one of these fun little side things that happens we had that friday, magic we talked about it we do it at trade shows and yeah, it makes me smile thinking about it tony morelan 45 59 yeah no, that's awesome that those things were great it was a it was a nice discovery well, hey, roger, absolutely appreciate you taking the time this has been a great interview i love getting to know more about you and also about bixby and voice so again, thank you very much for joining me on today's podcast roger kibbe 46 13 oh, my pleasure always love to talk to voice thanks so much tony morelan 46 17 so before i end this show, i want to do something a little fun with bixby bixby said she can rap but i want to know hey bixby, can you beatbox? roger kibbe 46 28 check this out outro 46 39 looking to start creating for samsung, download the latest tools to code your next app, or get software for designing apps without coding at all sell your apps to the world on the samsung galaxy store check out developer samsung com today and start your journey with samsung the pow! podcast is brought to you by the samsung developer program and produced by tony morelan
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